Delta hops
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HighHops
Delta hops
I've just bought some Delta hops. Anyone used these before ? Think these are quite new, so not a lot of info out there! All I know is they're a hybrid of cascade and fuggles, so looking forward to trying them out.
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TheMumbler
Re: Delta hops
I haven't used them myself but I got these comments from a I guy who had used them. On that other forum that a lot of people here use in addtition to Jim's
well, its kind of got a hint of cascade but very weak and has a more earthy rounded flavour like some english hops but without many nice floral qualities. It may develop better and I will see in a week or so. . .
I have been thinking about trying a four shades of stout with them instead of cascade as I think it would be nice with the cascade dialed back a bit. Hopefully somebody else will be able to give you more infoDefinitely tastes more like an english hop than an american, its subtle, actually very similar to first gold I think.
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dogchillibilly
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Re: Delta hops
i brewed this about 6 weeks ago.
The malt profile tastes good.... really not sure about the hop.
i certianly wouldnt single hop it again.
Its supposed to be in the middle of Cascade and Fuggles.
I would say more fuggles ... but no where near as earthy..... with a tail of citrus....
No real aroma either.
All in all i was a bit let down by it.
Maybe a Pale and Crystal brew would work better with it but the grain bill is simlair to James Squire Pale - which is all about fuggles. And the fuggles tastes great with it so i dont think that'll make a huge difference.
... still lucky me i have 40 litres to drink.
Type: All Grain Date: 10/05/2011
Batch Size (fermenter): 46.00 l Brewer: DogChilli
Boil Size: 63.81 l Asst Brewer:
Boil Time: 75 min Equipment: My Equipment
Final Bottling Volume: 46.00 l Brewhouse Efficiency: 70.00
Amt Name Type # %/IBU
7.20 kg Lager Malt (3.9 EBC) Grain 1 80.9 %
1.40 kg Munich Malt (17.7 EBC) Grain 2 15.7 %
0.30 kg Special B Malt (354.6 EBC) Grain 3 3.4 %
70.00 g Delta [6.50 %] - Boil 60.0 min Hop 4 27.1 IBUs
53.00 g Delta [6.50 %] - Boil 15.0 min Hop 5 10.2 IBUs
50.00 g Delta [6.50 %] - Boil 0.0 min Hop 6 0.0 IBUs
Split Batch half WLP007 - half S04
The malt profile tastes good.... really not sure about the hop.
i certianly wouldnt single hop it again.
Its supposed to be in the middle of Cascade and Fuggles.
I would say more fuggles ... but no where near as earthy..... with a tail of citrus....
No real aroma either.
All in all i was a bit let down by it.
Maybe a Pale and Crystal brew would work better with it but the grain bill is simlair to James Squire Pale - which is all about fuggles. And the fuggles tastes great with it so i dont think that'll make a huge difference.
... still lucky me i have 40 litres to drink.
Type: All Grain Date: 10/05/2011
Batch Size (fermenter): 46.00 l Brewer: DogChilli
Boil Size: 63.81 l Asst Brewer:
Boil Time: 75 min Equipment: My Equipment
Final Bottling Volume: 46.00 l Brewhouse Efficiency: 70.00
Amt Name Type # %/IBU
7.20 kg Lager Malt (3.9 EBC) Grain 1 80.9 %
1.40 kg Munich Malt (17.7 EBC) Grain 2 15.7 %
0.30 kg Special B Malt (354.6 EBC) Grain 3 3.4 %
70.00 g Delta [6.50 %] - Boil 60.0 min Hop 4 27.1 IBUs
53.00 g Delta [6.50 %] - Boil 15.0 min Hop 5 10.2 IBUs
50.00 g Delta [6.50 %] - Boil 0.0 min Hop 6 0.0 IBUs
Split Batch half WLP007 - half S04
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fego
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Re: Delta hops
I had a bottle of Pale Ale made by the Kernal Brewery in London a couple of weeks back. It was so nice that I wrote to them and told them I wanted to recreate it myself. The guy that runs it very kindly gave me the full recipe which contained just Delta in the copper and dry hopped with Chinook. He also gave me some helpful advice. The grain bill was pale with some caramalt and caragold.
It's the first time I've used Delta which smells lovely but are low in aa% so perfect for a pale ale. And the combination of smells with the ribena like Chinook makes for a very floral brew.
It's still in the FV so not got a review to share, plus I was under on the OG so likely to be thinner than it should be anyway because I added a bit of sugar. However, the original I tasted was lovely.
Delta might be a Fuggles Cascade hybrid but they aren't as overpowering as Cascade and have a better aroma than Fuggles in my view.
It's the first time I've used Delta which smells lovely but are low in aa% so perfect for a pale ale. And the combination of smells with the ribena like Chinook makes for a very floral brew.
It's still in the FV so not got a review to share, plus I was under on the OG so likely to be thinner than it should be anyway because I added a bit of sugar. However, the original I tasted was lovely.
Delta might be a Fuggles Cascade hybrid but they aren't as overpowering as Cascade and have a better aroma than Fuggles in my view.
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fego
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Re: Delta hops
As it's not my recipe to share, I'll contact the brewer first and seek permission....
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fego
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Re: Delta hops
From the brewing man himself...
"Thanks for asking about posting the recipe, but go ahead. We have no secrets here. All good if other people find the information useful and interesting."
"It was hopped with Delta (a new American Fuggles / Cascade cross, i think) and dry hopped with Chinook. Grain bill is 96% Maris Otter, 2% caramalt, 2% caragold.
OG 1.050. First wort hops to 20 IBU, rest of hops to 50 ibu total at 20 min, 15 min 10 min 5 min (additions increasing in weight toward end of boil). Dry hop with pellets (70g in 23litres i'd guess) for 3 days at ambient and 2 days chilled down.
Most important thing is the yeast, really. Needs to be super clean. We use US 05.
Caragold is not essential, it just builds a bit of mouthfeel and helps with head retention. You might find Carapils around, or leave it out. Clean yeast is a reference to its profile. You'll get an estery English beer with S04, which I feel clashes with the hops. We bottle with the original yeast in suspension (US05). It doesn't settle as fast as SO4, nor is the sediment as stable. But it lets the hops shine through. We have put these in cornie kegs, where they work very well, but they are not so great on cask (this style suits higher carbonation and cooler serving temps than cask will allow.)"
And if you wanted to look at their website to see what else they do, it's http://www.thekernelbrewery.com/.
I'll be filling a corny with this and bottling the rest this weekend. And then I'll be taking a bottle over to the brewery to get a review from him and to compare it to his version.
It's currently smelling lovely...
"Thanks for asking about posting the recipe, but go ahead. We have no secrets here. All good if other people find the information useful and interesting."
"It was hopped with Delta (a new American Fuggles / Cascade cross, i think) and dry hopped with Chinook. Grain bill is 96% Maris Otter, 2% caramalt, 2% caragold.
OG 1.050. First wort hops to 20 IBU, rest of hops to 50 ibu total at 20 min, 15 min 10 min 5 min (additions increasing in weight toward end of boil). Dry hop with pellets (70g in 23litres i'd guess) for 3 days at ambient and 2 days chilled down.
Most important thing is the yeast, really. Needs to be super clean. We use US 05.
Caragold is not essential, it just builds a bit of mouthfeel and helps with head retention. You might find Carapils around, or leave it out. Clean yeast is a reference to its profile. You'll get an estery English beer with S04, which I feel clashes with the hops. We bottle with the original yeast in suspension (US05). It doesn't settle as fast as SO4, nor is the sediment as stable. But it lets the hops shine through. We have put these in cornie kegs, where they work very well, but they are not so great on cask (this style suits higher carbonation and cooler serving temps than cask will allow.)"
And if you wanted to look at their website to see what else they do, it's http://www.thekernelbrewery.com/.
I'll be filling a corny with this and bottling the rest this weekend. And then I'll be taking a bottle over to the brewery to get a review from him and to compare it to his version.
It's currently smelling lovely...
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HighHops
Re: Delta hops
This is great. Thanks fego and hats off to the brewers at the kernel brewery.
I haven't got any chinook, but I have got citra and centennial for dry hopping. What do you think?
I haven't got any chinook, but I have got citra and centennial for dry hopping. What do you think?
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fego
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Re: Delta hops
Well, if you have ever tried Chinook, you'll know how 'smelly' they are. I think they have a unique fruity Ribena like aroma which is partly what makes this beer. I got some in especially for this recipe and would recommend you do the same. Otherwise, you aren't doing this recipe.
Citra is way off the mark and Centennial is way different. I wouldn't use either on this, but I'm trying to reproduce what I think is a winning recipe rather than try something that might work.
Citra is way off the mark and Centennial is way different. I wouldn't use either on this, but I'm trying to reproduce what I think is a winning recipe rather than try something that might work.
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