Northdown substitute?

[FUBAR]

For my next brew day I want to have a go at BYOBRA recipe for White shield that uses northdown as a bittering +aroma hop. I have some nothern brewer hops and am I right in thinking that they will be ok for a northdown sub,seeing as it is,as far as I know a replacement for northdown.

cheers FUBAR

[Dennis King]

Challenger would be better, drinking a pint of said clone right now

[FUBAR]

[quote="Dennis King"]Challenger would be better, drinking a pint of said clone right now[

What do you reckon then Dennis,seeing as the other bittering hop is Challenger,just drop the Northdown and use just Challenger for bittering and perhaps Goldings or Fuggle for aroma or even a mix of the 2 as late hops.

[Dennis King]

Forgot challenger was in the recipe, I would use Fuggles to the same IBU.

[mrwalsh]

Have a look here for hop substitutions.
http://www.brew365.com/hop_substitution_chart.php

[mrbarnie]

Whiteshield is the oldest IPA but certainly not the oldest recipe for an IPA! It's clearly changed throughout the years. Northern Brewer will give an earthy almost minty taste and is a lovely hop. Challenger is excellent in bittering...not only for the alphas but the general soft, fruity bitterness you get. Challenger would suit a WWS for sure.

By the way, the lower the alpha for bittering, the more hops you use. That in itself isnt so bad but boy do they soak up wort!!

[FUBAR]

Have decided to go with challenger and replacing the northdown with nortern brewer,seeing as I have got a pack.

[mrbarnie]

How did you get on with the challenger and northern brewer?

[zgoda]

This is also of some interest to me, Northdown is hard to find here. I'm planning to substitute it with Polish Marynka, bc the only N. Brewer I can get is German, definitely different than British.

[FUBAR]

Not sure yet the beer has been in the cornie since 29th March and I still have 2 more casks of other brews to drink before that one gets drunk ,but I had my usual pint to try when casking and that tasted promising enough.

[mrbarnie]

This is also of some interest to me, Northdown is hard to find here. I'm planning to substitute it with Polish Marynka, bc the only N. Brewer I can get is German, definitely different than British.

Northdown and Northern Brewer arent the same hop. Northdown as i recall is a british variant of the german Northern brewer. marynka is quite earthy rather than minty and herbal as northern brewer is. So german NB is just fine

[zgoda]

This is also of some interest to me, Northdown is hard to find here. I'm planning to substitute it with Polish Marynka, bc the only N. Brewer I can get is German, definitely different than British.

Northdown and Northern Brewer arent the same hop. Northdown as i recall is a british variant of the german Northern brewer. marynka is quite earthy rather than minty and herbal as northern brewer is. So german NB is just fine

Too late, just brewed an IPA with Marynka as a substitute this weekend.

[Eadweard]

This is also of some interest to me, Northdown is hard to find here. I'm planning to substitute it with Polish Marynka, bc the only N. Brewer I can get is German, definitely different than British.

Northdown and Northern Brewer arent the same hop. Northdown as i recall is a british variant of the german Northern brewer. marynka is quite earthy rather than minty and herbal as northern brewer is. So german NB is just fine

Northern Brewer was originally a British hop bred at Wye, but it became popular on the continent.

[mrbarnie]

This is also of some interest to me, Northdown is hard to find here. I'm planning to substitute it with Polish Marynka, bc the only N. Brewer I can get is German, definitely different than British.

Northdown and Northern Brewer arent the same hop. Northdown as i recall is a british variant of the german Northern brewer. marynka is quite earthy rather than minty and herbal as northern brewer is. So german NB is just fine

Northern Brewer was originally a British hop bred at Wye, but it became popular on the continent.

Quite right, thanks for that. Easy mistake to make, probably because most is grown in Germany now. Excellent minty earthy hop.

"Of these the most important is Northern Brewer, a cross between a Canterbury Goldings female hop and a seedling raised in 1934 by Professor Salmon at Wye College which itself was a cross between Brewer’s Gold and an American male. Named, apparently, because a North of England brewer (perhaps Newcastle Breweries) was looking for a hop with a combination of good aroma and high alpha acid content. It became widely grown in Germany because of its resistance to several of the ills that hops are heir to."

[mrbarnie]

Best of luck zgoda.....my polish friend uses marynka but as an aroma hop Ive never rated it...let me know how this goes...earthy is the word for this hop.