Nice (non US) Hop Combo with Centennial ?

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Nice (non US) Hop Combo with Centennial ?

Post by Manx Guy » Thu Feb 21, 2013 10:32 am

Hi all!

I'm thinking of using up 50g of Centennial (AA~10%) I have in a Summer Ale (grist below) and wondering if either Styrian Goldings or Motueka (B Saaz) would work well as I'd like a nice citrus (lemony) note to this beer

Its meant as a nice sessionable BBQ beer...

Pale/Lager Malt (UK) ~ 75%
Wheat Malt (UK) ~21%
Pale Crystal (UK) ~4%

OG 1044
IBU in the region of 35
Maybe it would work on its own with 25g @ 90 min and the rest at 5/10?

Your suggestions please gentlemen!

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Guy

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Re: Nice (non US) Hop Combo with Centennial ?

Post by raiderman » Thu Feb 21, 2013 11:49 am

Motueka isn't on my wish list anymore. I brewed it with Rikwaka and the result was awesome, but thats probably down to the Motueka complimenting the Rikawaka and explains why you can still buy Motueka and Rikawakea is just a distant memory! I brewed Moteuka on its own in a blonde, thinking it would be pleasant and it came out orangey and theres citrus and theres citrus and I didn't like it, rather than bright fresh and aromatic, it was heavy and dense. Cenennial, is cascade like, but less citussy. I always feel that cascade type hops have a slightly earthy/malty taste - and I mean that in a nice way, I love cascade. the Motueka orangyness will emphasise that, but possibly not in a bad way, particularly if you use Centennial in the late hop addition - chuck a load in with 5m to go so as not to affect IBU much.
I'm not a fan of sytrians. I always expected them to be a bit the way hops like citra have turned out to be and whilst I accept they are iused in classy pales, I never find I get half the aroma I'd hoped for. My instinct is that the styrians finness will be lost -so whilst i wouldn't go for either on balance I'd go for Motueka,
I'm not sure how citussy you'll get. Compared with newer hops I don't find centenial that citrussy and I don't see either of your other hops boosting that. I've brewed Delta and Simcoe - delta being a sort of less bitter cascade and got what my son who lives in San francisco thought a classic west coast pale ale, which was nice but not what I was aiming for!, i'd wanted a citrussy note over the cascade flavour and instead the deeper notes dominated. My feeling is thats what you'll get. You could up the crystal or add caragold and go amerikan ipa, or you could try using Challenger, which blends aromatically well with centenial and perhps if you add one of your hops very very late you might still get some citrus in the nose.

Manx Guy

Re: Nice (non US) Hop Combo with Centennial ?

Post by Manx Guy » Thu Feb 21, 2013 12:53 pm

Hi!

Thanks for the reply...

I agree Centennial is less citurssy than Cascade, it has a slightly more floral edge to my pallette.

Challenger (as I am aware its been used to good efect with both Cascade & Centennial) was also considered...

Do you have a suggested hop bill (Given I'm aiming for about 35 IBU) ?

Cheers!

Guy

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Re: Nice (non US) Hop Combo with Centennial ?

Post by Manx Guy » Sat Feb 23, 2013 8:58 am

Any other suggestions?


(bump)

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brodington

Re: Nice (non US) Hop Combo with Centennial ?

Post by brodington » Sun Feb 24, 2013 3:54 pm

Why not bitter with the Motueka then chuck your centennial in at the last ten mins?

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Re: Nice (non US) Hop Combo with Centennial ?

Post by 6470zzy » Sun Feb 24, 2013 4:19 pm

Manx Guy wrote: I'd like a nice citrus (lemony) note to this beer
Your suggestions please gentlemen!

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I am going to suggest Sorachi Ace hops if you can get them as they will give you the lemon note for certain. Other than that, I have used New Zealand Hallertau which gave me a lemon-lime aroma. Hope that is of some assistance.

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Re: Nice (non US) Hop Combo with Centennial ?

Post by Manx Guy » Sun Feb 24, 2013 8:57 pm

Hi

As it happens I do have some NZ Hallertau, I will go with that!

Cheers

Guy
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Re: Nice (non US) Hop Combo with Centennial ?

Post by 6470zzy » Sun Feb 24, 2013 9:22 pm

Don't be shy about using a good dose of fresh lemon zest at flameout too, just don't get the pith in there.

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Re: Nice (non US) Hop Combo with Centennial ?

Post by raiderman » Tue Feb 26, 2013 10:30 pm

Had an all Centenial last night. Good in a light 3.7.0/0 light pale ale. Not much citrus but pleasant. I'd go for lots of late additions

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Re: Nice (non US) Hop Combo with Centennial ?

Post by seymour » Wed Feb 27, 2013 1:15 am

Manx Guy wrote:...Challenger (as I am aware its been used to good efect with both Cascade & Centennial) was also considered...
6470zzy wrote:...I have used New Zealand Hallertau which gave me a lemon-lime aroma...
6470zzy wrote:Don't be shy about using a good dose of fresh lemon zest at flameout too...
+1 to all three of these excellent ideas in the same batch.

Something along the lines of:
Challenger and Centennial (65% of total weight): 60-90 minutes
Challenger and Centennial (25% of total weight): 30 minutes
New Zealand Hallertau (10% of total weight) and zest of 1 lemon: last 5 minutes of boil, then lengthy steep before chilling

Damn it, my mouth is watering now.

Manx Guy

Re: Nice (non US) Hop Combo with Centennial ?

Post by Manx Guy » Thu Feb 28, 2013 9:24 pm

Cheers!

That does souns good! Thanks Semour!

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Re: Nice (non US) Hop Combo with Centennial ?

Post by seymour » Thu Feb 28, 2013 9:37 pm

Manx Guy wrote:Cheers! That does souns good! Thanks Semour!
The rest is up to you. :)

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Re: Nice (non US) Hop Combo with Centennial ?

Post by seymour » Tue Apr 02, 2013 7:26 pm

BUMP.

So, did you brew something along these lines?

Manx Guy

Re: Nice (non US) Hop Combo with Centennial ?

Post by Manx Guy » Mon Apr 15, 2013 9:14 pm

Hi

Yes I did !
I went for a straight 1044 pale malt and wheat beer hopped with centennial with lemon zest added in the last five.

I used Thwaites yeast which I got from a local brewery..
It's had three days in the FV and is almost done at 1012...
There is a nice citrusy floral aroma from the hops and a Pleasant lemon note from the lemon zest.
In the end I used the zest from two small unwaxed organic lemons...
It's a promising beer and just what I was hopping for!
I can't wait to see what it tastes like with some condition...

Cheers!

Guy

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