Help- TC- First Timer- Fermentation questions on Dreadskin

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Drew31

Help- TC- First Timer- Fermentation questions on Dreadskin

Post by Drew31 » Sat Oct 16, 2010 3:31 pm

Hey :D ,

I wonder if anyone could help please, I lurked here for about a week before going out and buying all the bits you need to make the Lidl's recipe that Dreadskin posted.

It's my first time brewing anything, and I have a couple of questions,

I made the brew with the apple juice, 8 apples honey and tea, used a wine yeast though as I couldn't find cider yeast ( anywhere in Cornwall- believe it or not! :roll: ).

I made it last saturday (9th Oct), and its still bubbling, or blowing out gas every second or 2.

Anyway, here are the questions, numbered, because I tend to ramble a bit .....


1) How long is it likely to ferment for? I thought most turbo ciders were quick? Not a major issue, but the whole house smells of "apple fart".

2) Also it has about 2 inches of what looks to be solid white on top? I haven't opened the fermenter since sat, on fear of ruining something or introducing some kind of nasty to it. :shock:

Someone at work said to me, you can open them up though to stir it up, or to let gas out?? Is this true or will I end up with 20 litres of cider vinegar?

3) When it has stopped fermenting, i'm guessing I should syphon it off into another container, I have a 33 litre bin ready for that, this may sound stupid but do i have to sterlise the syphon and bottles etc I put it into?

4) When it's been bottled ( i think I'm going plastic PET), I'm happy to have a flat, cloudy cider. do I need to leave it to stand or something?

Thanks in advance, sorry if my questions seem a bit stupid!

cheers

Drew

Drew31

Re: Help- TC- First Timer- Fermentation questions on Dreadsk

Post by Drew31 » Mon Oct 18, 2010 6:44 pm

Wow...If Carlesberg made forums.... ;)

Cripes I'm glad I didn't need urgent help :shock:

Geezah

Re: Help- TC- First Timer- Fermentation questions on Dreadsk

Post by Geezah » Mon Oct 18, 2010 7:16 pm

Chillax, take a seat and i'll get you a beer from my bar. :wink:

I'm a bit of a proliffic user of these forums and (although I was working all day saturday and djing sat night) I missed this thread myself.

1st of all, what is the temperature of the brew? The lower the temp, the longer it will take to finish..... but if your temps are too high you will get some unwanted flavours.
I tend to regulate my beer brewing temperature to around 21c by using a big bucket to sit my fv in, 1/2 fill the bucket with water and then use a fishtank heater to make a warm waterbath.
Although, my current wines and ciders in demijohns are just kept in the 'under the stairs' cupboard and they are taking nearly twice as long to finish because of the cooler temperatures.
I would have thought that your brew should take 2 - 3 weeks if your temps are not kept constant (warm in day, cooler at night) and fall bellow 16c

2nd, the white foam is refered to as the kraussen. When the yeast feeds off the sugars in the juice etc, it creates co2, this forms a head on your wort (brew). It generally subsides as the fermentation goes on. i.e no sugars left to feed on so no co2 production by the yeast.
As you have added apples, you should keep an eye on them and make sure they are submerged daily or they could start to go mouldy. But be carefull not to disturb the brew too much or leave the lid off (fruit flies will seek out and kill your brew - mainly in warmer months) Other than that, just leave it be for another week.

3rd, once I think my brew is nearly ready, I drop my SANITISED hydrometer in to the brew and see where its at, then if i'm happy i'll rack it off (siphon it off the lees (lees=dead yeast - sediment)) in to a freshly sanitised FV and give it 5 days to 2 weeks to clear.
Everything that comes in to contact with your brew needs to be sanitised, especially your storage bottles.

When you bottle it you can then decide if you want it flat or fizzy.
Flat - just bottle it and leave it to clear.
Fizzy - add 1 tsp of sugar per bottle and store it somewhere warm enough for it to have a second ferment in the bottle to add the fizz. This will take another week or 2, but you would wait that time for it to clear anyway. PET bottles are great for indicating that it is gaining co2, give 1 a squeeze every few days and you will feel the pressure start to build up.

In perfect conditions I can get perfectly clear, fizzy TC ready to drink in 12 days if I brew in demijohns, doing a 20l bucket always seems to take twice as long for everything to come good.

I hope that was comprehensive enough for you. :)

Your q's are not stupid, but they have been asked and answered many many times before, you will find people get bored of typing out the same replies every month or so.
Without trying to sound like an a$$hole, I'd suggest you use the search function and read lots.... its what I done. :)
I only started brewing myself in June this year, but by reading lots and educating myself, i'm now brewing beer that has some of my friends who have brewed for years gobsmacked by my excellent result.

p.s if brewing teaches you 1 thing, let it be patience (and thats not a dig at your 'urgent' reference :wink: you will see...)

Good luck! and be sure to stay around and post your results up.
Last edited by Geezah on Mon Oct 18, 2010 7:20 pm, edited 1 time in total.

flything

Re: Help- TC- First Timer- Fermentation questions on Dreadsk

Post by flything » Mon Oct 18, 2010 7:18 pm

I would leave it to clear in the fermentor, probably another week or so, then rack it into a new bucket that has a litre of fresh but pasturised apple juice already in it (heat it till almost boiling and keep it there for 15 mins should do it), then bottle it from there, you should leave most of the sediment behind and the fresh apple juice will ferment in the PET bottles and make it fizzy.

Drew31

Re: Help- TC- First Timer- Fermentation questions on Dreadsk

Post by Drew31 » Mon Oct 18, 2010 9:28 pm

Thank you very much guys, really appreciated. I'm on a tight deadline to get my C.V updated and off but will post back properly very soon :)

simco999

Re: Help- TC- First Timer- Fermentation questions on Dreadsk

Post by simco999 » Tue Oct 19, 2010 11:55 am

Hi - I just bought two packets of cider yeast off ebay. £2.76 inc postage.

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