Covered boil?

Get advice on making beer from raw ingredients (malt, hops, water and yeast)
Post Reply
quiff

Covered boil?

Post by quiff » Tue Nov 10, 2009 2:56 pm

I've just been told that I should not boil the wort with the lid covering the boiler :shock:
Is this correct and if so does anybody know why?

User avatar
Deebee
Even further under the Table
Posts: 2324
Joined: Thu May 21, 2009 9:13 am
Location: Mid North West Norway

Re: Covered boil?

Post by Deebee » Tue Nov 10, 2009 3:08 pm

I understand it it to allow the undersireable tanins etc out during the boil.

I always boil with the lid on to spead things up but as soon as the boil is on i drop take the lid off.

Thats about all i know anyway ;)
Dave
Running for Childrens cancer in the Windsor Half marathon.
Image
Please consider helping a good cause:)

User avatar
OldSpeckledBadger
Under the Table
Posts: 1477
Joined: Sat Feb 21, 2009 4:31 pm
Location: South Staffordshire

Re: Covered boil?

Post by OldSpeckledBadger » Tue Nov 10, 2009 5:08 pm

There's a chemical called Demethyl Sulphide (DMS) which is driven off during the boil. It has a rather unpleasant cabbage smell and taste. If you like your beer tasting of cabbages then boiling with lid on is the thing to do. Most of us however don't like our beer tasting of cabbages so we boil with the lid off.
Best wishes

OldSpeckledBadger

mysterio

Re: Covered boil?

Post by mysterio » Tue Nov 10, 2009 5:24 pm

Yeah it's disgusting. If you've ever made a starter from spraymalt extract, boiled it for 10 minutes then cooled it with the lid on you'll have smelt it.

quiff

Re: Covered boil?

Post by quiff » Tue Nov 10, 2009 6:28 pm

Oh fantastic!!!!
I never noticed any dubious taste when I had a sneaky sample and the lid wasn't on ALL of the boil just about 3/4 of it and even then there was a small vent. Do you think I might be okay? [-o<

Hawkinspm

Re: Covered boil?

Post by Hawkinspm » Wed Nov 11, 2009 10:33 am

If you had a vent and only did 3/4 of the boil I think you may be ok, I did a few brews with a vented lid when I first started and never had this problem - I figured the steam was still escaping with the nasties due to the vent, just not as quickly... Now I take the lid off as soon as the boil starts to be 100% sure though...

CJBrew

Re: Covered boil?

Post by CJBrew » Thu Nov 12, 2009 12:58 pm

I have been thinking for a while of the possibility of using a tumble drier vent tube attached to a lid for my boiler, so that the steam vents out of the window rather than filling the house...

Has anyone tried such a thing -- any pictures??

hail_to_the_ale

Re: Covered boil?

Post by hail_to_the_ale » Thu Nov 12, 2009 8:01 pm

I've got a 2" chimney which I screw on top of my boiler as it comes to the boil, it does the job, taking all the steam directly outside :D no off smells or steamy windows on brew days any more :wink:

Hawkinspm

Re: Covered boil?

Post by Hawkinspm » Fri Nov 13, 2009 12:22 pm

I've been looking at the same thing, was worried about steam condensing in the tube and dropping back into my boil. Also considered a dehumidifier next to the boiler ( but that was purely as a friend had one that he is not using).

Like the idea of the tumble drier vent more though I think - would be interested in pics of the chimney, do you use a fan as well at all or just let the steam naturally rise?

Thanks
Paul

CJBrew

Re: Covered boil?

Post by CJBrew » Fri Nov 13, 2009 12:48 pm

Like the idea of the tumble drier vent more though I think - would be interested in pics of the chimney, do you use a fan as well at all or just let the steam naturally rise?

Thanks
Paul
Same question -- whether to put a fan in... Although it would probably need to be the same diameter as the vent (maybe 4") and made so that it would be steam-proof, so probably not cheap. I doubt you'd need a fan though.

It might appease the Lady, who was dismayed after the last brew-day to find the bedroom smelled of hops. I rather like it :D

grmills

Re: Covered boil?

Post by grmills » Fri Nov 13, 2009 1:52 pm

A standard shower extractor fan kit will do the job you're after, eg http://www.tlc-direct.co.uk/Products/BG ... ce=froogle
I suppose it depends on whether you consider £22 to be cheap or not, running costs would certainly be less than a de-humidifyer.

CJBrew

Re: Covered boil?

Post by CJBrew » Fri Nov 13, 2009 5:11 pm

perfect and I can buy one from about half a mile up the road from work... Just needs to be attached to some sort of boiler lid. Don't really want to knacker the lid that's on there (but I suppose that doesn't matter... hmm)

Post Reply