Quick Mash Hydro Question

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orlando
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Re: Quick Mash Hydro Question

Post by orlando » Mon Jun 04, 2012 8:03 am

Go to calculators/refractometer stuff/?

Here is the opening paragraph "Beer Engine's refractometer calculator approximates specific gravity from refractometer readings. Approximate is stressed because there is not a direct correlation between hydrometer readings and refractometer readings when measuring brewers' wort and the disparity is even worse once fermentation is under way. There are many contrary issues which make it difficult to use a refractometer accurately for brewing, particularly if trying to relate refractometer readings to specific gravity"

You are correct in saying a hydrometer needs to be calibrated to water but the point of calibrating the R to the H is the point GW makes above i.e. you are not using instruments that are capable of doing exactly the same job, they are not equivalents. Each wort composition is going to have a slightly different refractive index because wort is not a simple sucrose based solution which is what a R is designed to measure. Wort is nainly maltose, not sucrose and other complex sugars which change as your malt bill changes between recipes. On the same "page" you will find a calibration option so you can recalibrate the R to reflect the measuremnt the H is giving you. It basically calculates a conversion figure which once saved will ensure that the R now measures the same wort the same way as the H and will convert the Brix reading to SG. Most R's do have both scales but this is a bit of licence on the part of the manufacturer and only helps reinforce the incorrect notion that they are capable of being "exact" equivalents.

A further problem is that hot wort is also a problem for a hydrometer as they are typically calibrated to 20c and the higher the temperature the more inaccurate the temperature adjustment calculators become. The way I aproach these problems is to allow a trial jar of wort to cool to approx 20c then make the calibration adjustment on the refractometer in order to closely (and quickly) establish what the SG of the run off is so I don't start extracting tannins. Tasting the run off is another way, and you might think a lot simpler :wink:
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Re: Quick Mash Hydro Question

Post by guypettigrew » Mon Jun 04, 2012 8:11 am

Thanks, Orlando

Hadn't spotted the "?" button at the bottom of Graham's hydrometer and refractometer calibration windows. Fascinating stuff, which clearly needs reading and understanding in some detail.

Perhaps my refractometer isn't quite as useful as I'd thought!

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Re: Quick Mash Hydro Question

Post by orlando » Mon Jun 04, 2012 8:22 am

guypettigrew wrote: Perhaps my refractometer isn't quite as useful as I'd thought!

Guy
Not in itself but follow GW's advice and it is. I have to say that we are at one of those moments in brewing (and there is a few as some of the threads will show) where we start getting into areas of nth degree. Beer just wants to be made and some of the slackest techniques will make something drinkable so you might ask why bother with all this OTT stuff. Well being a bit nerdy I don't just want to make beer I want to make great beer, I might fall short but I will still have a lot of fun and this stuff in the end makes the difference. How far do you want to go? I like cooking as well so do I just feed people or do I aspire to Heston Blumental cooking? Somewhere between these two is where all of us will find what works for us.
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Fermenting:
Conditioning:
Drinking: Southwold Again,

Up Next: John Barleycorn (Barley Wine)
Planning: Winter drinking Beer

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