Brewdog Libertine Ale recipe attempt?

[gnutz2]

Right, I think they use a british ale yeast for all their beers. I haven't tried it so I can't comment other than that. Be interested to know how you get on!

Surely that can't be right! All of their hop-forward beers (Punk, IPA is Dead, Hardcore, Dead Pony Club, Chaos Theory, ...) have basically zero flavour contribution from yeast. Makes much more sense to me to use a west coast ale strain instead (WLP001, 1056, US05).

Actually darkonnis is correct, British ale yeast is the one. Ask secue, he interviewed the head brewer.

Although like with my own beers, if you dry hop in big enough quantities its pretty hard to tell which yeast was used.

Cheers Baz.

[darkonnis]

I thought so, I read that they use the same yeast for all their brews and in in another article I read that they use british ale yeast. May even be in the interview you mention Baz.

I'm certain the sheer volume of hops they use will pretty much ruin any chance you have of tasting the yeast, they also filter their beers which will make it harder still.
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[Befuddler]

If its a British yeast, I'd imagine it's wlp007... that can be pretty clean at low temperatures and highish pitching rates.

I don't think the yeast is critical when trying to clone Brewdog though, it's all about getting it bone dry and hoppy as hell.

[djavet]

So, I will encrease the hop rate at flame out and dry hop + use the S-05 as the White Lab is not available in Switzerland.
I've the Fermentis range or Danstar or some classical Wyeast.

And what about the malt bill? It is good like this in your opinion?
Seem that they change a little the text on the website, or I miss this sentence, it's about a stout, not porter, but a light stout I think:

Libertine Black Ale is a dark hop bomb combining the hop awesomeness of an IPA, the decadent and indulgent malt flavours of a stout with an insatiable drinkability that belies the punch that this beer packs.

Here are the new recipe with more hop(e):

Libertine Ale Clone > Draft
American Stout
Type: All Grain Date: 17.11.2011
Batch Size (fermenter): 18,93 l Brewer: Dominique Javet
Boil Size: 32,12 l Asst Brewer:
Boil Time: 75 min Equipment: Pot (15 Gal/60 L) and Cooler (42 L) - All Grain DJ
End of Boil Volume 23,62 l Brewhouse Efficiency: 72,00 %
Final Bottling Volume: 16,09 l Est Mash Efficiency 86,4 %
Fermentation: Ale, Two Stage Taste Rating(out of 50): 30,0
Taste Notes:
Ingredients


Ingredients
Amt Name Type # %/IBU
4,35 kg Pale Malt (Weyermann) (6,5 EBC) Grain 1 75,0 %
0,65 kg Munich I (Weyermann) (14,0 EBC) Grain 2 11,2 %
0,32 kg Carahell (Weyermann) (25,6 EBC) Grain 3 5,5 %
0,24 kg Caraaroma (Weyermann) (350,7 EBC) Grain 4 4,1 %
0,24 kg Carafa I (Weyermann) (630,4 EBC) Grain 5 4,1 %
14,00 g Simcoe [12,90 %] - Mash 60,0 min Hop 6 4,1 IBUs
35,00 g Simcoe [12,90 %] - Boil 75,0 min Hop 7 53,1 IBUs
14,00 g Simcoe [12,90 %] - Boil 10,0 min Hop 8 7,4 IBUs
50,00 g Simcoe [12,90 %] - Boil 0,0 min Hop 9 0,0 IBUs
1,0 pkg Safale American (DCL/Fermentis #US-05) [50,28 ml] Yeast 10 -
100,00 g Simcoe [12,90 %] - Dry Hop 5,0 Days Hop 11 0,0 IBUs

Beer Profile

Est Original Gravity: 1,069 SG Measured Original Gravity: 1,046 SG
Est Final Gravity: 1,014 SG Measured Final Gravity: 1,006 SG
Estimated Alcohol by Vol: 7,2 % Actual Alcohol by Vol: 5,2 %
Bitterness: 64,6 IBUs Calories: 421,7 kcal/l
Est Color: 44,5 EBC
Mash Profile

Mash Name: Single Infusion, Medium Body, Batch Sparge Total Grain Weight: 5,80 kg
Sparge Water: 22,80 l Grain Temperature: 22,2 C
Sparge Temperature: 75,6 C Tun Temperature: 22,2 C
Adjust Temp for Equipment: FALSE Mash PH: 5,20

Mash Steps
Name Description Step Temperature Step Time
Mash In Add 18,13 l of water at 72,1 C 66,7 C 60 min

Sparge Step: Batch sparge with 2 steps (5,24l, 17,56l) of 75,6 C water
Mash Notes: Simple single infusion mash for use with most modern well modified grains (about 95% of the time).
Carbonation and Storage

Carbonation Type: Keg Volumes of CO2: 2,3
Pressure/Weight: 86,48 KPA Carbonation Used: Keg with 86,48 KPA
Keg/Bottling Temperature: 7,2 C Age for: 30,00 days
Fermentation: Ale, Two Stage Storage Temperature: 18,3 C
Notes

Malts substitutions: http://kotmf.com/articles/maltnames.php

Libertine Black Ale is a dark hop bomb combining the hop awesomeness of an IPA, the decadent and indulgent malt flavours of a stout with an insatiable drinkability that belies the punch that this beer packs.
Source: http://www.brewdog.com/beer/libertine-black-ale

[Befuddler]

I think that might be in the right ballpark... its going to be damn tasty anyway.

Make sure you sprinkle the carafa over the other grains while sparging, that way you'll get all the colour without too much bitter, burnt flavour.

[djavet]

Make sure you sprinkle the carafa over the other grains while sparging, that way you'll get all the colour without too much bitter, burnt flavour.

Thx for this one. I will write it down.

dom

[allanmb]

How did it come out? 75 mins seems a long time to boil Simcoe from. Its a hop that I find best to do shorter boil with larger amounts of hops

[DerbyshireNick]

I had "hoppy cristmas" of theirs over ... well... Christmas and that was a pure simcoe pale brew.

I wouldn't call it cloning but I did an inspired brew based on it 5kg MO, 250g crystal, 100g simcoe. The main take away was it ended up hoppy in the sense that a mainstream ale would call itself hoppy (hopping hair etc) and not brewdog hoppy. So dont hold back on the hops. Lots and lots and lots in the last 10 minutes / steeped @ <80c.

Additionally I concur on the bitting. I've only used it solo in this brew but it had an odd bittering until it mellowed about 5-6 weeks post bottle. Next time I use it solo like that ill be doing my latest fad of getting all the IBU from the late hops and only 3-4 from the initial ones.

[orlando]

Make sure you sprinkle the carafa over the other grains while sparging, that way you'll get all the colour without too much bitter, burnt flavour.

Shouldn't be necessary as Carafa 3 is dehusked for that purpose.

[pantsmachine]

You really need to slide all your simcoe to the last 5 minutes boil and hike up the weight massively for your bittertness charge, hop up in your recipe in particular 0 min additions then hop up during dry phase, then hop up again during dry phase. That'll get you where you want to go, current load won't. Best of luck.