Amateur brewer taking the leap

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Re: Amateur brewer taking the leap

Post by gobuchul » Wed Dec 28, 2016 10:50 am

Although Hughes does describe the method, in my view it is not detailed enough.
I have to disagree.

It's very clear, simple and is enough you need to know to get started.

John Palmer is very good but the level of detail on the chemistry etc is totally unnecessary for brewing good beer.

I did my first few brews just following the Greg Hughes book and produced some very good beer.

What does he miss?

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Re: Amateur brewer taking the leap

Post by orlando » Wed Dec 28, 2016 11:56 am

I brewed my first AG one handed, because the other had Graham Wheelers BYOBRA in the other and it simplified it to the extent you could. Still the bench mark for getting a new brewer into AG with the minimum of fuss and tears.
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Re: Amateur brewer taking the leap

Post by Dennis King » Wed Dec 28, 2016 2:43 pm

orlando wrote:I brewed my first AG one handed, because the other had Graham Wheelers BYOBRA in the other and it simplified it to the extent you could. Still the bench mark for getting a new brewer into AG with the minimum of fuss and tears.
Best around, and written by an Englishman so is more Brit friendly than some of the American authors.

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Re: Amateur brewer taking the leap

Post by spanspoon » Wed Dec 28, 2016 9:44 pm

one thing to make your brew day to flow easier is to buy the pre measured kits. malt miller do em and worcester shop.
plus you wont end up with a load of hops in the freezer (my misses hates this)!

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Re: Amateur brewer taking the leap

Post by chefgage » Thu Dec 29, 2016 9:36 am

spanspoon wrote:one thing to make your brew day to flow easier is to buy the pre measured kits. malt miller do em and worcester shop.
plus you wont end up with a load of hops in the freezer (my misses hates this)!
Good advice that. When I started within a short space of time i ended up with lots of little bags of hop in the freezer. I did nit brew for a while so ended up binning a lot of them.

As like you have said space is limited as it was with me. So I went for a three vessel stainless set up that obviously was entirely practicle :mrgreen:

I have now scaled it down using one of my vessels (kettle) and I am doing 10l batch BIAB. This way I can brew alot more often.

Might be worth considering as your space is limited?

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Re: Amateur brewer taking the leap

Post by rpt » Tue Jan 03, 2017 9:55 am

BIAB isn't just a stepping stone to AG but an end in itself.

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Re: Amateur brewer taking the leap

Post by orlando » Tue Jan 03, 2017 10:54 am

rpt wrote:BIAB isn't just a stepping stone to AG but an end in itself.
Which in effect is what a Brau/Father is.
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Re: Amateur brewer taking the leap

Post by Jambo » Tue Jan 03, 2017 10:55 am

gobuchul wrote:
Although Hughes does describe the method, in my view it is not detailed enough.
I have to disagree.

It's very clear, simple and is enough you need to know to get started.

John Palmer is very good but the level of detail on the chemistry etc is totally unnecessary for brewing good beer.

I did my first few brews just following the Greg Hughes book and produced some very good beer.

What does he miss?
You've been a bit too selective in your quoting there - I did recommend Hughes' book.

To be clearer, it's a good book with excellent recipes and you'll end up making beer and it'll probably be good. Palmer has more than 300 pages on the brewing process while Hughes has less than 70, so he clearly misses quite a lot.

A fairly basic example is he doesn't tell you what to do if your hops aren't the same AA % as stated in the recipe.

While your beer will be drinkable without this and other knowledge that could be gained from Palmer, the assumption is that the OP would like to go beyond drinkable and faithfully reproduce styles and consistently brew his own creations, which you can only do if you understand what is going on in more detail.

That said, Hughes book is more accessible and has lovely recipes well presented, hence my initial recommendation to buy both if possible.

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Re: Amateur brewer taking the leap

Post by Jambo » Tue Jan 03, 2017 11:00 am

FWIW definitely read the Yeast book third - White even tells the reader to go and read Palmer first in the text...!

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Re: Amateur brewer taking the leap

Post by siggiejim » Thu Jan 05, 2017 11:44 am

Thanks guys that's great advice. Half way through palmer then gonna read white next :)


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Re: Amateur brewer taking the leap

Post by chefgage » Thu Jan 05, 2017 3:37 pm

Looks like there is a new version of john palmers book coming out in june 2017, the fourth edition 500 pages

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