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IanRMartin

Post by IanRMartin » Thu Aug 31, 2006 3:47 pm

Daab,
Just a thought would it not be easier to use 3 frames, 1 slim across the top of the page with title and that sort of thing, slim down left hand side with links and a large frame on the right hand side for the pages.
That way you only have one set of links to sort, instead of links on every page.
Ian

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Post by IanRMartin » Thu Aug 31, 2006 4:01 pm

QUOTE (Daft as a Brush @ Aug 31 2006, 03:54 PM)It would be but I dont know how to set up frames. If I can find a template fitting that description in Front Page which I am using to build the site is there a way to drop the content from these pages into it?
With a bit of tweaking i would have thought so, i must admit i was thinking of writing the code rather than using a program.

Something like this:
http://www.w3schools.com/html/tryit.asp ... _frame_mix

If you change the first frameset code to this:
<frameset rows="15%,50%">
then click the button to see how it changes

You will see what i was thinking of.

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Post by Andy » Thu Aug 31, 2006 4:27 pm

Frames == devil's work!

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Post by IanRMartin » Thu Aug 31, 2006 4:29 pm

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Post by Bigster » Thu Aug 31, 2006 9:19 pm

In true Page 3 style .....

Well done daab , from southern england, who enjoys beer , 38-24-28 :lol:

eskimobob

Post by eskimobob » Fri Sep 01, 2006 8:45 am

QUOTE Just done a search for 'How to Home Brew' on google uk....i'm on page 3  (at the bottom....well at least i'm listed  )

Good work DaaB. I would advise against using frames actually, some browsers don't support them (although few) but more importantly search engines don't cope well with them therefore if you changed to using frames, you would not stay at position 3 very long before fading away...

If your host supports it, I'd suggest using "server side includes" instead. Basically you can put the menu bit in a HTML file of it's own and then in the main page you simply tell the server to insert the menu eg: <!--#include virtual="/menu.html"-->.
The server then simply inserts the text from menu.html into the page it sends to the browser - it all happens transparently as far as the user is concerned.

You then only have one menu file to maintain and if you change it, it changes on all of your pages that include it.

You have to change the file name of the pages that include the menu from .html to .shtml to let the server know that it must parse the file.

I'd be happy to post or send a couple of example files for you to upload to see if your server supports it if you are interested.

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Post by Andy » Fri Sep 01, 2006 8:49 am

Wise words from EB.

Also, some HTML editors support page templates where you can define common elements/blocks etc for all pages you create. This is typically where you'd place menu/title/contacts type code. I know Dreamweaver does this but not sure which (free) editors allow the facility.

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Post by Andy » Fri Sep 01, 2006 10:52 am

http://bumpybikes.com/index.php

A site me and a mate out together. The top banner, left hand coming soon bit, menu strip and page footer are all common for each page and are in the Dreamweaver "template" for each page we create so it's only written once.

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Post by eskimobob » Fri Sep 01, 2006 1:19 pm

Hi DaaB,

There are a number of options available but as for server side includes, I've put up a page for you to have a look at (along with the files so you can download and inspect).

http://www.berriman.co.uk/hobbies/brewing/daab.shtml

PieOPah

Post by PieOPah » Fri Sep 01, 2006 3:58 pm

QUOTE (Daft as a Brush @ Sep 1 2006, 10:48 AM) Id also be gratefull to anyone who cares to add a link to my site on their web pages. I will sort out a links page next week and reutrun the favour.
I have added you link to my Blog. Seems like there is some upload issues (again) so may take a while to show.

BlightyBrewer

Post by BlightyBrewer » Fri Sep 01, 2006 7:31 pm

That's a great opportunity DRB. I tried to see if I could help out at a microbrewery near me, but they weren't interested. <_<

Are they keen to let you have some yeast too?

DRB

Post by DRB » Fri Sep 01, 2006 9:34 pm

They use dried yest at the mo.

Frothy

Post by Frothy » Fri Sep 01, 2006 10:31 pm

Dreamweaver is fantastic but its only useful if you already know the HTML.
I'd personally just borrow the code from somebody elses website that already uses frames like the ones you'd like. Just fiddle the code a bit to do what you want it to.

Many years ago I went to a presentation evening at my local "Frog island" microbrewery where we payed like £5 a head and they gave us a couple of barrels to get through whilst they gave us a description in the brewhouse of how it all works. It would make so much more sense now.

Matt

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Post by eskimobob » Sat Sep 02, 2006 7:06 am

QUOTE They use dried yest at the mo.

Hi DRB,

Presumably they skim at some point? - Perhaps you could ask for some skimmed yeast??

DRB

Post by DRB » Sat Sep 02, 2006 10:50 am

wouldn`t that be the same as just buying the same drie yeast they use.

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