Maris otter or golden promise? for 80 Shilling

[worcshopshop]

Brewing an 80 shilling will it make much difference if I use golden promise or Maris otter

[Garth]

I brewed a Deuchars clone with GP which the commercial version supposedly uses, and then later I brewed another batch using MO,

I couldn't taste any difference, I'm pretty good recognising hops but maybe when it comes to malt I have an uneducated palate

I don't know whether with an 80/- brew the malt choice is more important as it is a predominately malty brew, Rab Maxwell would be the guy to give you the answer on that one as he brews them regulary.

[Eadweard]

I don't think Deuchars is golden promise. Appareantly there's not a lot of it grown any more and even Caledonians beer called 'Golden Promise' makes no claims as to which barley it's made from on the label.

[RabMaxwell]

I would use the Golden Promise malt & if you are going to use Marris/ Warminster floor malted Marris is good don't like Muntons Marris very well just isn't malty enough for scottish ales.I just about only make scottish ales these day's yum-yum.The key to scottish ales in my opinion is soft water & lots of kettle caramelisation i boil most for about 150 mins + reduce around 5 gallons of the first runnings down to about 3 litres for a 120 litre brew.It costs a lot more for gas using long boils but i use less hops so it probably evens the cost out against brewing bitters ect.What 80 shilling recipe are you going to use nowacki

[flytact]

I've dabbled with both GP and MO and have noticed slight variations in flavor. It's getting harder to get GP at a reasonable price over here, so I have pretty much moved to MO as my base malt.
I agree with Rab, go for the GP if you can get it.
And there are a few fantastic 80/- recipes on this board.

[worcshopshop]

I was gonna have a go at the following not sure what yeast to use

Ingredient Colour Weight Ratio
Golden promise EBC unknown 3600 grams 67.3%
Crystal Malt 130 EBC 750 grams 14%
Amber Malt 60 EBC 500 grams 9.4%
Chocolate Malt 1050 EBC 250 grams 4.7%
Wheat Malt 3.5 EBC 250 grams 4.7%


Hop Variety Type Alpha Time Weight Ratio
Fuggle Whole 4.3 % 90 mins 50 grams 45.7%
Golding Whole 5 % 90 mins 49 grams 54.3%

Final Volume: 23 Litres
Original Gravity: 1.05078315217391
Final Gravity: 1.014
Alcohol Content: 4.6% ABV
Total Liquor: 33.7 Litres
Mash Liquor: 13.4 Litres
Bitterness: 35 EBU
Colour: 133 EBC

[RabMaxwell]

That looks similar to Wheelers Caledonian 80 Shilling not a bad beer although haven't made it for a while .I get good results with safale 05 yeast in Scottish ales but mash at 67-68oc to add more dextrins.Mr Wheelers Belhaven 80 shilling is exceptional also his Borve Ale is exceptional .His old book Home Brewing has Scottish heavy & Scottish light that are pretty good also

[worcshopshop]

What's the difference in using safeale 04 and 05

[RabMaxwell]

Safale 04 would do but it's more suited to english ales 05 isn't really a scottish ale yeast either but it's a very clean yeast the high mash temperature & the amount of crystal & chocolate malt in your recipe will stop it attenuating too far.You also have the options of liquid yeasts WL Edinburgh ale Yeast & Wyeast Scottish Ale 1728

[worcshopshop]

What is the best temp to ferment this with safale 05?

[Andy Dean]

Mr Wheelers Belhaven 80 shilling is exceptional also his Borve Ale is exceptional .

Having brewed both these from Mr. Wheeler's bible i have to agree, very tasty.

[RabMaxwell]

I use 20 oc when using safale 04 & 18 oc with safale 05.With safale 05 i recommend using Gelatin or Issinglass when finnished either in the fermenter or in the keg as it's a very poor clearer unless your going to bottle

[worcshopshop]

Cheers for your help I'm gonna give this a go the weekend gonna try and get my electrim heater down to 18oc just ordered some safale 05