aramis hops?

[ferry george]

Hi, brew day coming up soon and I've been thinking of doing either a wheat beer or pale ale using aramis hops, any sugestions as I no experience with this variety, cheers.

[seymour]

I haven't, but they're descended from French Strisselspalt hops, along with Alsace/Elsasser, Tardif de Bourgogne, Triskel, etc, which are some of my recent favourites. The ones I've tasted are similar to each other, but noticeably different from German, English, American, Australian, New Zealand varieties, which is pretty cool. I get fruity, black-pepper-spicy, honey, fresh cut grass, perfume, but faint, in a very pleasant, refined, noble way like Saaz, good enough for classic Pilseners even.

Don't waste them for bitterness, use a high-alpha variety with a relatively neutral flavour profile, and then add the Aramis for late aroma additions. When these are used in very high doses, you'll get a great green tea essence. See also: viewtopic.php?f=11&t=58730&hilit=+strisselspalt#p617028

Aramis has also been used by Stone Brewery (of Arrogant Bastard fame, etc). They describe it as "floral, earthy, woody, Earl Grey, lemon, hay, herbal." New Belgium (of Fat Tire Amber Ale fame, etc) describe it similarly as "earthy, grassy, potpourri floral, oranges, peppery."

In short: GO FOR IT and please let us know how it turns out!

[smdjoachim]

Drinking this now.Really nice and well received by others.Also with the weather we have the yeast is ideal.
Farmhouse Aramis (Saison)

Original Gravity (OG): 1.060 (°P): 14.7
Final Gravity (FG): 1.010 (°P): 2.6
Alcohol (ABV): 6.50 %
Colour (SRM): 9.1 (EBC): 17.9
Bitterness (IBU): 27.3 (Tinseth)

78.43% Pilsner
9.8% Wheat Malt
7.84% Candi Sugar, Amber
3.92% Acidulated Malt

0.9 g/L Aramis (8.4% Alpha) @ 90 Minutes (Boil)
1.3 g/L Aramis (8.4% Alpha) @ 15 Minutes (Boil)
2.2 g/L Aramis (8.4% Alpha) @ 0 Minutes (Aroma)

0.1 g/L Whirlfloc Tablet @ 15 Minutes (Boil)

Single step Infusion at 64°C for 60 Minutes with mash out at 76°C for 10 Minutes.
Boil for 90 Minutes

Fermented at 24°C with WLP670 American Farmhouse Blend

[seymour]

Oh man, that sounds amazing. Well played.

[killer]

Hmmmm....

I live in France and I can get 1kg of these hops for about 6 euro. I think you've convinced me..... Now I just need a bigger freezer.

[jmc]

I've used mine in Saisons too.

Goes well with a Saison Dupont yeast.

Most recent one below:

Saison 3 - 24L
Date:
Gyle Number:
Fermentable Colour lb: oz Grams Ratio
Lager Malt 2.5 EBC 4 lbs. 6.5 oz 2000 grams 40.8%
Flaked Wheat 0 EBC 3 lbs. 1.4 oz 1400 grams 28.6%
Flaked Rye 6 EBC 1 lbs. 1.6 oz 500 grams 10.2%
Acid Malt 2.5 EBC 0 lbs. 8.8 oz 250 grams 5.1%
Munich Malt 20 EBC 0 lbs. 8.8 oz 250 grams 5.1%
Oat Flakes 2.5 EBC 0 lbs. 7.0 oz 200 grams 4.1%
Sugar, Brown 65 EBC 0 lbs. 10.5 oz 300 grams 6.1%


Hop Variety Type Alpha Time lb: oz grams Ratio
Aramis Whole 8.9 % 90 mins 0 lbs. 0.4 oz 10 grams 16.7%
Northdown Whole 8.4 % 90 mins 0 lbs. 0.4 oz 10 grams 16.7%
Aramis Whole 8.9 % 20 mins 0 lbs. 0.7 oz 20 grams 33.3%
Aramis Whole 8.9 % 5 mins 0 lbs. 0.7 oz 20 grams 33.3%


Final Volume: 24 Litres
Original Gravity: 1.048
Final Gravity: 1.009
Alcohol Content: 5.1% ABV
Total Liquor: 35.5 Litres
Mash Liquor: 16.1 Litres
Mash Efficiency: 78 %
Bitterness: 32.2 EBU
Colour: 13 EBC

And one before that here:
See Topic Saison #2 AG78 (Saison Dupont)

[ferry george]

Thanks for the input chaps, what I hope to make is something like what we bring home from France for my son; 1664 Blanc. It's sort of a cloudy pale ale with a hint of citrus/fruityness, similar to a wheat beer but a bit lighter.
i'll let you know the out come, cheers

[seymour]

Thanks for the input chaps, what I hope to make is something like what we bring home from France for my son; 1664 Blanc. It's sort of a cloudy pale ale with a hint of citrus/fruityness, similar to a wheat beer but a bit lighter.
i'll let you know the out come, cheers

This one? If so, I'm sure no matter what you decide, yours will be better:

Kronenbourg 1664 (French Pale Lager)
Carlsberg/Kronenbourg - Obernai, France
ABV: 5.5%
IBU: ≈15
Colour: golden
Grainbill: Pale, Wheat Malt, Flaked Maize, Caramel Colourant
Hops: High-Alpha Hops Extract
Yeast: lager strain

[killer]

I don't think it's that one Seymour, probably

http://www.beercrank.ca/2011/10/review- ... blanc.html

I must confess that even though this is one of those mass produced "fake" beers - and quite synthetic tasting- I do quite like it from time to time - it is refreshing.

There is coriander in it, so you could add some ground up coriander as in a typical blanche.
It also has a citrus hit - but not the typical orange peel hit you get with this type of beer - it's certainly lemon. they say "lemon flavouring" not lemon peel on the bottle so it too is probably from some flavouring additive - you could try a small amount of orange/lemon peel at flameout

It also doesn't taste like it has been fermented with a typical weisse/blanche strain - it is very clean tasting, it's possibly a lager or even neutral ale strain.

Good luck with it

[seymour]

I don't think it's that one Seymour...

Ah, you're so right. I don't think we get that one over here, but I'd definitely give it a try. I like the look of those clear blue bottles too. A low-grav hazy wheat ale is relatively easy to make taste good, even when mass-produced. I had some perfectly fine ones from breweries I love to hate, y'know?

[ferry george]

That's the one in the blue bottle, also available in cans, which I don't normally buy, but they're handy to take to our local Indian restaurant where it's a bring your own drinks place, (not as heavy as bottles)!

[jmc]

I wonder if they add E numbers to it as its labelled as 'flavoured' wheat beer

In case its any use, ingredient info from http://eng.baltika.ru/brand/2/9/105/

Kronenbourg 1664 Kronenbourg 1664 Blanc

Kronenbourg 1664 Blanc is a super-premium beer specially brewed for real connoisseurs wishing to derive special pleasure and to taste something unusual.

This is refreshing white wheat beer with fruit tinges that was created by French masters encouraged by the best medieval traditions of brewing. This brand is produced using one of the best kinds of Alsace hop, Strisselspalt. That gives the drink its exquisite aroma. The faint fragrance of citrus fruits and coriander stress the exquisite inviting taste of the Kronenbourg 1664 Blanc.

Kronenbourg 1664 Blanc is distinguished both for its taste and inimitable style. The shape of the French cobalt-colour bottle of 0.46 liter (the old French measure) reminds of the Eiffel tower. The bottle is decorated with relief figures "1664", a unique label covering the neck and a convenient twist-off cap. The beer is served cooled at the temperature of 3°С so that one could feel the refreshing pure taste.

In Russia Kronenbourg 1664 Blanc has been produced since summer 2008 at the Baltika Breweries plant in Saint Petersburg. Today the brand is one of the most premium brands in the licensed segment and the most expensive brand in the company’s portfolio.
Ingredients

Ingredients: purified drinking water, pale barley malt, wheat, caramel, hop products, spices (twist of orange, coriander).
Alcohol content: 4.5 %.
Original wort gravity: 11.8%.
Nutritional value per 100 g of beer: energy value: 47.2 kcal, carbohydrates: not more than 4.2 g.
Variants of package

0.46 litre bottles
Link to brand's sites: http://www.k1664.ru

[ferry george]

Thanks again, brew day tuesday, then France 2 weeks after that. Lovely.

[ferry george]

This brew turned out realy well, everyone liked it, I took 15 bottles to my brothers bbq and in no time at all it had all gone. Here's the recipe for 23 lts.
Pale malt 3800g
wheat malt 700g
Mild malt 700g
Crystal 100g

Aramis hops 40g for 90ms.
Araamis hops 20g for 5m
protoflac 15m

Munich wheat beer yeast.

A lovely refreshing beer, nowt like 1664 blanc, but what the hell, a cracking beer all the same.