Extract brew no. 1 - with pics and questions :)

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Extract brew no. 1 - with pics and questions :)

Post by guidomax » Mon Dec 14, 2009 8:27 pm

Hi all

Well, after much planning and deliberation (read: about 10 minutes of each, coupled with having the laptop open during the process!) I finally took the plunge and did my first extract brew on Saturday.

I used a modified version of the Cotleigh Tawney recipe in GW's book for a 10-litre brew length, as I only have a 10 litre (well, 13-ish litres total, 10 to 'max fill' line) boiler and was also too tight to open two cans of LME. This way I can also get more experimenting done!

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The ingredients measured out in advance. This is very organised for me. (note that the organisation backfired as I ended up changing the quantities mid-way through the brew!)

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Four litres of (Tesco Value) water in boiler, raise to 70 C, crystal malt in grain bag and steep for 30 mins. As the boiler's stainless, it lost temperature very quickly so needed to be switched back on for a bit two or three times over the course of the steep to maintain a temperature of between 60 and 70 C.

Top up to six litres of water in the boiler, heat back up, add the LME. Sticky stuff! Bring up to the boil. Forgot to put some hot water on to soak the can in (to loosen up the LME), but it worked fine. Not too precise on the weighing front, as it was pretty gloopy.

Whilst waiting, I played about with some beer calculator software and realised that as I was only going to be boiling six litres instead of the planned 10, I needed more hops to get the same bitterness. So added another 5g of both Challenger and Fuggles.

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Water gets up to the boil, hops added in muslin bag. SO MUCH FOAM, threatening to boil over constantly. Only way to beat it was to switch on and off (at the wall as I've bypassed the simmerstat on my boiler) constantly. Not great.

Noticed that stiring as it came up to the boil helped to reduce the foam, and also blowing on the top reduced it too. One near-hyperventilation later, had the masterstroke idea of pulling the fan out of the loft and aiming that over the top of the pot. Success! (although, of course, having the fan on meant that the layer of steam over the boil was constantly being blown away, so won't have helped the loss-to-evaporation side of things).

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Boil boil boil boil. The foaming settled down after about 20 mins which meant I could switch the fan off. However by this point I think that I'd already lost a fair amount to evaporation. Bugger. Oh well, can't be helped. I slowly added about another litre to the pot to bring up the volume somewhat (was still worried about hop utilisation).

Boiled for an hour. The recipe calls for post-boil hops, but as I was planning on crash-cooling I was worried that they wouldn't be steeped for long enough to have a noticable effect. Popped 'em in the boil in the last five minutes, using yet another muslin bag. (note to self, leave the bittering hop bag open next time, so I can just put the aroma hops in this at the end).

Off the heat, added four litres of water which had been chilling in the freezer since I started the brew. They weren't solid but were the consistency of a Slush Puppy. Then another two litres of room-temp water to bring the volume up to 10 litres (meaning that I lost about 3 litres during the course of the boil :( ).

Adding the frozen water worked well, bringing the temp down to about 30 C in a couple of minutes. Excellent.

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Racked out of the boiler tap, from a height of about 4 feet, through a muslin-bag-lined sieve into FV. The FV was on the floor and the tap was quite 'spurty' ensuring good aeration of the wort.

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Aerated wort vigourously until my arm got tired.
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In the meanwhile I'd rehydrated a packet of Coopers yeast I had left over from a kit I'd done. This was the first time I'd rehydrated yeast - when doing kits I usually just sprinkle on the top - but it seemed to work very well. Once the temperature of the wort was down to under 30 C, pitched yeast, popped lid on, carried upstairs to ferment on the bathroom shelf.

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Measured OG - 1040, which is within two points of what my recipe called for - I was very surprised at this, given the huge losses to evaporation and my less-than-precise weighing of the LME.

Fermentation went off like a rocket with a healthy layer of krausen on top. Smells lovely, can't wait to taste!

Now - my questions....

I'd very much like to scale this up to doing a full 23 litre brew. With my problems with boil-over, I'm loathe to actually have more than 5/6 litres for the duration of the boil, and with 2+ kg of LME in that volume, I'm going to get really bad hop utilisation. Any ideas how I can get round this? I was thinking of perhaps using 1kg LME in the boil, then making up to the requisite amount with DME later once it goes into the FV. Sounds plausible?
(alternatively I'd get a decent-sized boiler, but am keen on making use of my present one for the time being...)

Alternatively, how can I reduce the initial foam on boiling? The boiler's a 10-litre Burco, so tall and thin. As I said before, the 'aim a fan at it' method works but I suspect this contributed to the higher-than-expected loss to evaporation.

Next - how should I 'recycle' my muslin bags? It's a pain to wash all the little bits of hops etc out by hand - I'd bung 'em in the washing machine but I'm thinking any soap powder residue would taint the beer. Or can I just get them mostly washed out (under the hot tap etc), wring and dry, and reuse? I'm worried any residual hop seeds etc would go off and impart an undesirable flavour.
Of course I could just throw 'em out and use new but I'm tight like that! :D

Anyway, had a very enjoyable brewday. Assuming this turns out nice, I'm sold on extract brewing. The missus didn't like the smell of hops pervading the house but as long as I brew when she's out, she should be happy :)

Ingieuk

Re: Extract brew no. 1 - with pics and questions :)

Post by Ingieuk » Tue Dec 15, 2009 12:00 am

I just did my first extract today too, a Speckled Hen clone. My method was very similar to yours, except I steeped the grain in a pan before putting it in the boiler, which now when I think about it makes no sense! :D So in future its going in the boiler to steep.

I had a problem with the hot break, problem being I forgot about it! Caught it just before it boiled over, had to turn the burco off briefly to get rid of the 8 inches of foam, once it had died down (about 10 secs) had a nice rolling boil. Maybe try turning it off for a little longer, letting the proteins settle out? Just an idea!

I lost about a gallon (US I think) to evaporation over the hour long boil, didn't top it up; Hop utilisation never occured to me whilst it was going, hopefully it wont have affected the brew too much.

Iv rinsed the muslin bags and hung them out to dry, I'm thinking of waiting till their bone dry then the husks etc will just brush off (in theory :D )

Yeah our house still stinks of hops too :/

Got a warming spicy brew planned next when I've worked out where I'm going to put this one!

Good report of your brewday, glad it went well!

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Re: Extract brew no. 1 - with pics and questions :)

Post by fractureman » Tue Dec 15, 2009 2:45 am

my boiler arrives this week so I will be extract brewing in the new year :)
keg 1 : (Drinking) : Amarillo extract brew
keg 2 : (Conditioning) : Summer Ale extract
keg 3 : (Conditioning) : Lightening extract Goldings only
keg 4 : (Conditioning) : Lightening etxract

FV1 : FV2 :
Bottled: Brewferm Diabolo, Brewferm frambois
next up: coppers stout:)

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Re: Extract brew no. 1 - with pics and questions :)

Post by WishboneBrewery » Tue Dec 15, 2009 9:57 am

welcome to the slippery slope that is Extract leading to AG ;)
Excellent shots and good write up.
You'll find that All Grain is actually just about as easy as Extract brewing, though it adds more time to your day :)

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Re: Extract brew no. 1 - with pics and questions :)

Post by guidomax » Tue Dec 15, 2009 10:45 am

Thanks all for the encouragement. I'm well chuffed with how it turned out... brewed on Saturday, checked yesterday and SG's down to 1016. The sample jar on Saturday tasted very astringently bitter, but a lot of that seems to have mellowed over two days' fermentation... or at the very least I couldn't taste it so much.

Ingieuk, ta for the tips. I did try leaving the foam for about a minute off-the-heat to completely die down, but then as soon as I switched back on it rose again. The fan system worked (if a little 'heath robinson' though!), fortunately - I wasn't relishing the prospect of standing at the socket switching on, off, on, off, on, off for 20 mins. I think I'll just have to live with it next time.
Hopefully also I'll be able to reuse these muslin bags at least once more. I did the same; rinsed, dried, and you're right, most of the stuff has brushed off. Any stuff left will be boiled anyway so shouldn't cause too much of a problem. And next time, if I leave the bag open but clipped to the edge of the boiler (so as I can dump the late hops in it at the right time), I can probably get away with just using one bag for the entire brew - waste not want not!

pdtnc, all grain is my goal eventually! As and when I have some cash, I'm going to invest in a bigger boiler, then get handy with the tools and attempt to make myself a mash tun. You're right, slippery slope! :D

Fractureman, good luck with your first extract brew - be sure to post a writeup here so we can all learn from it :lol:

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Re: Extract brew no. 1 - with pics and questions :)

Post by fractureman » Tue Dec 15, 2009 3:42 pm

Thanks mate, well the boiler arrived today was an electrim unit I picked up from ebay, worked ok doing my test boil of water in it. Am getting grahams book for xmas so will have a good read of that before setting out with my first extract brew.

Don't want to hyjack your thread with questions so will post those in a seperate thread.

Hope your brew yurns out good mate ;)
keg 1 : (Drinking) : Amarillo extract brew
keg 2 : (Conditioning) : Summer Ale extract
keg 3 : (Conditioning) : Lightening extract Goldings only
keg 4 : (Conditioning) : Lightening etxract

FV1 : FV2 :
Bottled: Brewferm Diabolo, Brewferm frambois
next up: coppers stout:)

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Re: Extract brew no. 1 - with pics and questions :)

Post by Deebee » Wed Dec 30, 2009 8:28 am

Hi.

Well done on your brew. I expect this is finished and bottled now. how did it go?

I use muslin bags for hops too. These are relatively expensive but i have found if you tie them with string then you can empty them as soon as they are cold enough to handle, turn them inside ou, rinse then hang. The hop remains will indeed be dry enough to shake out afterwards.

Alternatively there is another option which removes all this messing about.

go to the chemist, get a roll of tube e gauze 8 sort of eleasicated tube bandage.

cut a decent sized chunk off, in with the hops, tie it closed and use it. When you are done, throuw it away, it saves time and mess, ad the mesh is finer meaning you will not get som much crap out ( especially if you are using pellets..

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Re: Extract brew no. 1 - with pics and questions :)

Post by guidomax » Sun Jan 03, 2010 3:58 pm

Hi Deebee,
Deebee wrote: Well done on your brew. I expect this is finished and bottled now. how did it go?
Yup, kegged it on the 21st December. FG was 1014 so not the greatest attenuation in the world but I suspect that's down to the S04. Couldn't resist having a cheeky taste over Christmas and it tasted great even after only a few days in the keg.

Just had a pint now (so just shy of two weeks in the keg) and it's getting better and better.
There's still a bit of chill haze (hoping that clears given a couple more weeks; the keg is in the garage at about 4 deg C, not that a bit of haze bothers me anyway). Aroma is very hoppy, almost a bubblegum/candy floss smell but not quite as sweet. Taste is reasonably malty with a huge punch of grapefruity citrus (would this be the goldings?), aftertaste quite a dry bitterness.

It's glorious to drink and definitely convinced me that I've done the right thing by moving on up from kits to extract. The fresh "zinginess" of the hops is amazing.

Thanks for the tip about using elasticated bandage - cunning! I'll definitely head down to Boots and grab myself a length. Planning at some point on making a 'proper' hop strainer but knowing me I won't get round to it for a while. Cheers!

Ta for the comments. :)

Chase24

Re: Extract brew no. 1 - with pics and questions :)

Post by Chase24 » Sun Jan 03, 2010 10:55 pm

Great post. Seems you've been very thorough.

Your solution to the boiling over issue is textbook - a fan or water spray is the best solution. Don't worry about evaporation - if the water has already evaporated a fan won't make any difference.

OSB hasn't posted yet but he'll no doubt tell you that the solution for better hop utilisation on a smaller boil is to add less malt at the beginning of the boil. Its the sugars that get in the way of the alpha acids, so just add the malt at the end. Malt extract doesn't need a full boil.

Oh - and next time I'd suggest you use a better yeast. You will get better results with a fresher yeast, even one that has been dehydrated. Given the cost of the whole brew its not worth cutting corners on such an important ingredient.

guidomax

Re: Extract brew no. 1 - with pics and questions :)

Post by guidomax » Mon Jan 04, 2010 12:33 am

Hi Chase24,

Thanks for the reply :)
Chase24 wrote:Your solution to the boiling over issue is textbook - a fan or water spray is the best solution. Don't worry about evaporation - if the water has already evaporated a fan won't make any difference.
Great to hear - I'm glad 'my discovery' is in good company! :)

I was worried about it increasing loss to evaporation because if I remember my school physics correctly (and that's a big 'if'!), when the water evaporates it saturates a layer of air just above the surface of the liquid with water vapour. When this layer is indeed saturated with vapour it can't hold any more, so the rate of evaporation is then drastically reduced. If the layer of vapour is blown away, it never gets chance to get saturated, and this reduction in the rate of evaporation never happens.

That said, this is happening in the real world and not in a textbook so this effect probably makes very little difference - and it's also probable that as the boil is so vigorous then there's never a stable layer of saturated air formed, as it's moving around anyway.

It certainly didn't seem to affect the beer as it came out within a couple of gravity points from expected so the above is probably just me being ultra-worried and pointless pontificating about stuff I don't know too much about :lol:
Chase24 wrote: OSB hasn't posted yet but he'll no doubt tell you that the solution for better hop utilisation on a smaller boil is to add less malt at the beginning of the boil. Its the sugars that get in the way of the alpha acids, so just add the malt at the end. Malt extract doesn't need a full boil.
Aha, good stuff. I figured that was the case and considered making up the malt with dried malt after the boil, but if I can do it with LME then that's good too. What's the minimum length of time I should be boiling LME for (just so it gets pasteurised and any nasties get killed)? 20 mins or so? :)
Chase24 wrote:Oh - and next time I'd suggest you use a better yeast. You will get better results with a fresher yeast, even one that has been dehydrated. Given the cost of the whole brew its not worth cutting corners on such an important ingredient.
Point taken. I've been using Safale S-04 recently, and to be honest have no idea why I chose to use the Coopers kit yeast (particularly as I have a good few packets of S-04 sitting in the same drawer!) Seemed to work but I definitely agree with your reasoning.

Thanks again for your comments - much appreciated. Ta!

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