Palace Bitter.

[wiv]

Hello everyone, this is my first post on this forum and I am also new to extract brewing so I have a couple of questions! I have been brewing kits for about 8 months and with one or two notable exceptions they have been pretty good! This is a great hobby and I want to expand my knowledge so having read Charlie Papazians book, The Joy of Homebrewing, I have decided to have a go at Palace Bitter. Has anyone tried this recipie and if so what is it like. Also , for starters, I was going to make it up to 20 pints as opposed to 40. Can I take it that I can just half the amounts of all ingredients and get the same results?
Final question for the moment. How will the results of extract brewing compare with a good quality Kit? Your opinions please! Cheers wiv.

[andyp]

Welcome W.

Yep just half the ingredients for half the brew length.

Don't know the beer so post the recipe and maybe someone can suggest a few tweaks.

Your extract brews done properly will be better than most kits. Then there's A.G. of course. even better.

[wiv]

Thanks Andy. When you say half the the brew length, do you mean the boil time?

[Madbrewer]

Hello everyone, this is my first post on this forum and I am also new to extract brewing so I have a couple of questions! I have been brewing kits for about 8 months and with one or two notable exceptions they have been pretty good! This is a great hobby and I want to expand my knowledge so having read Charlie Papazians book, The Joy of Homebrewing, I have decided to have a go at Palace Bitter. Has anyone tried this recipie and if so what is it like. Also , for starters, I was going to make it up to 20 pints as opposed to 40. Can I take it that I can just half the amounts of all ingredients and get the same results?
Final question for the moment. How will the results of extract brewing compare with a good quality Kit? Your opinions please! Cheers wiv.

Hi Wiv - I usually find C. Papazians recipes brilliant but I haven't tried that one. Actually I am not a extract brewer which maybe why I don't even recognise the name?

The boil time will be the same

The ingredients will be proportional. I always tweak a US recipe to get a UK brew length (their pints are not the same size as ours? )

Apologies if the rest of this post over complicates things but ...
It's worth noting that hops alpha acids change from one years crop to the next. It's therefore worth seeing how many IBU's you require from your brew and then either do the necessary sums to check your hops will do the same or even just checking that your hops alpha acid percentages compare with what the authors were.

Weight in grams = IBU x10 x litres
---------------------
AA * util

A 90 minute boil will probably give you around 27% hop utilisation (util) above.

or use this

http://www.jimsbeerkit.co.uk/hop_calculations.htm

[wiv]

Thanks for the info Madbrewer. I will check the alpha acids and give my first batch ago this weekend. Cheers.

[andyp]

So what's the recipe then?

[monk]

I made that one a long while back, and it was pretty good. I believe it was pale LME, 3/4 pound of crystal, and fuggles and goldings for bittering, flavor, and aroma. Three additions of hops, iirc. I think I used nottingham dry yeast.

[wiv]

Hi, recipe for Charlie Papazians Palace Bitter.
19lt

2kg DME light
340g crystal malt
14g English fuggles[boiling]
21g Kent Golding Hops[boiling]
21g Kent Goldings [flavour]
7g English fuggle hops [flavour]
14g Goldings[aroma]
English ale yeast
OG; 1.040-1.044
FG;1.008-1.012
Bitterness 26; colour 13.

Steep crystal malt 30 mins.[65-75c.] add malt exract and bring to boil. Add boiling hops. After 30 mins, add 7g each of fuggles and goldings,for flavour, boil for 15 min. Then add another 14 g of Goldings, more flavour, boil for another 15 min. Add another 14g of goldings for final 2 min for aroma. Strain and sparge the wort into fermenter and top up to 19 lt.

I hope to be giving it a go this weekend!

[andyp]

That looks the business, although for the aroma hops you might want to put them in after the boil's finished and the wort's down to about 80C.

'Ave a good 'un

[monk]

for the aroma hops you might want to put them in after the boil's finished and the wort's down to about 80C.

I second that. It makes a big difference, in my experience.

[ADDLED]

That looks the business, although for the aroma hops you might want to put them in after the boil's finished and the wort's down to about 80C.

How long do you leave them to steep for before starting to cool the wort down for pitching?
tks

[wiv]

This was my first extract brew and I put it on last night. I not sure of what I am doing yet but I left the aroma hops in for a couple of minutes before cooling. Hopfully it will be ok! Looking forward to getting into bottles and comparing with my other beer. { wherry and Docklands porter}.

[andyp]

As long as they get a reasonable steep (20 - 30 mins?) it doesn't particularly matter if you pause on the cooling. There might be some technical/chemical issues involved but as long as you give a reasonable steep and cool fairly quickly you can't go far wrong.