New Kit Arrived just now, also question about Mash Kits

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New Kit Arrived just now, also question about Mash Kits

Post by Hoppkins » Tue Dec 19, 2006 12:59 pm

My new kit arrived!

Appears to have premium yeast ;)

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I found a kit on Hop and Grape which is for mash/extract brewing. Would the kit below be suitable?

http://www.hopandgrape.co.uk/admin/cata ... e=0&page=1

Thanks!

moorsd

Post by moorsd » Tue Dec 19, 2006 2:33 pm

Yeh Hop & Grape starter kits are very good, the 10 Gallon brewery gives you all the major gear you will need and allows for larger brew lengths when you become a bit more confident! (I'm getting the twin element 10 gallon boiler for crimbo!)

You will have to buy a few extra bits and bobs like a wort chiller, and possibly a spinney sparging thingy (Unless you decide to sparge using alternative methods!)

I take it you have never done a full mash before and are tempted? If so you could save some cash and just buy a boiler and mash in that using a false bottom or a mashing and sparging bag? Then if you decided to stick with kits its not a load of wasted cash...you can always up-grade to the insulated mash tun option at a later date?...that's what I did anyway :lol:

moorsd

Post by moorsd » Tue Dec 19, 2006 2:34 pm

... just read your post again, if you are interested in extract rather than going straight for full mash you will be better off just buying a boiler as the mash tun isn't really needed for extract brewing? As I say you can always up-grade later...or even make your own (Just ask DaaB! or do a search on the forum for lots of home made goodies which save a packet!)

Hoppkins

Post by Hoppkins » Tue Dec 19, 2006 2:47 pm

Yeah i was planning on extract brewing to begin with (but not till im comfortable with sanitising and have done a few more kits at least).

Would one of those packs then be overkill for extract brewing?

Thanks :)

Hoppkins

Post by Hoppkins » Tue Dec 19, 2006 2:59 pm

Ok i have a question about my new brupack (pictured above)

i read on one side of the instructions to place that hop tea bag thingy in one of the cans and leave to steep in water (no tempreture indicated) for 15 mins and empty into the wort.

The OTHER side states to put it in 5 liters of the diluted wort and bring to the boil for 40 minutes.

My gut tells me the 40 mins one is the correct one.

What do you guys think?

moorsd

Post by moorsd » Tue Dec 19, 2006 3:05 pm

Horses for courses really!

I went straight into full mash so it probably would have been worth it if I had of bought one at the time!

If you are planning to do extract first however, I personally think it would be a bit of an overkill since you only really need a boiler for extract brewing (use a false bottom etc)...then as you get more confident you will still be able to do a full mash with the kit you've got and if you want to up-grade/make your own at a later date you can!

With Regards to the Kit....

Brewpaks offer different options for using the "hop teabag", there should be some advanced instructions inside which make it clearer.

Basically there are 3 options (if memory serves me correctly)

1. Pour 5lts of wort into a pan and boil with the hop bag for 40 mins, this gives your final beer more bitterness.

2. Do the same as above, but for only 15-20mins to give hop flavour but not as much bittering

3. Place teabag in pressure barrel and leave to give final beer a hop aroma but without adding bitterness

...At least that's what I remember from when I last did a Brupaks kit! :D

Here is a link that Daab produced for Brupaks kits:
http://www.18000feet.com/brupaks/my_met ... s_kits.htm
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Orfy

Post by Orfy » Tue Dec 19, 2006 3:12 pm

With hops if you boil for 60 minutes you'll get bitterness. If you boil for 15 minutes you get flavour and if you soak for 15 minutes you'll get aroma.

It depends if the malt is hopped. If it is then you should have the bitterness so go for the taste/aroma method. If it's not hopped I'd boil the pants off them for 60 minutes.

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Post by bitter_dave » Tue Dec 19, 2006 3:16 pm

Unless you want to do really large batches there is no real need for such a large boiler. I brew 25 litres at a time and use this cheap boiler from Leyland Homebrew:

http://www.leylandhomebrew.com/item586.htm

Some people have even made boilers like this for a fraction of the price using a fermenting bin and a kettle element.

Hoppkins

Post by Hoppkins » Tue Dec 19, 2006 3:27 pm

The pack DOES say (when explaining how the kit is made) that hops are added for bitterness and after boiling extra hops and added for flavour and aroma.

it finishes by saying "Additional hops are supplied to restore any flavour/aroma lost during concentration"

Sounds to me that 40 mins isn't what is needed here?

Vossy1

Post by Vossy1 » Tue Dec 19, 2006 3:44 pm

Hi Hopkins,

I've done the hops in the Fixby for 15, 30 and 40 min.

A full 40 min does impart more bitterness than the lesser times.

A moorsd says, it depends what you want. I quite like the bitterness, so I do the full 40 min boil every time now

I've done them in diluted wort and plain old water and didn't notice any difference 8)

moorsd

Post by moorsd » Tue Dec 19, 2006 3:45 pm

Hoppkins wrote:The pack DOES say (when explaining how the kit is made) that hops are added for bitterness and after boiling extra hops and added for flavour and aroma.

it finishes by saying "Additional hops are supplied to restore any flavour/aroma lost during concentration"

Sounds to me that 40 mins isn't what is needed here?
I always used to boil the hops in 5 ltrs of wort for 15 mins to add hop flavour but not bitterness when I did the kits.

The first ever Brupaks one I did I just added it to the barrel to give aroma!

Which option you use really depends on your particular personal preference in the finished product!

Hoppkins

Post by Hoppkins » Tue Dec 19, 2006 3:56 pm

I guess what i want to know is HOW bitter is it without the extra. I like bitter bitters BUT i prefer IPA kind of bitter usually..

I think i may go with 20 mins to begin with :)

moorsd

Post by moorsd » Tue Dec 19, 2006 4:02 pm

hmmmm... IPA traditionally has a high hop rate and high Aroma, so 30-40 mins might be better for you!

My advice is go with the 20mins at first to see what results you get, and then change accordingly next time you do the same kit.

Brupaks kits are among the best so whatever option you choose you should get an excellent beer...and hey it gives you an excuse to buy another one for next time! :D

Vossy1

Post by Vossy1 » Tue Dec 19, 2006 6:11 pm

I think i may go with 20 mins to begin with
A safe option :wink:

I am a IPA fan, and none of the options 20,30 or 40 min will give the same level of bittrness that most IPA's have :wink:

Let us know how you get on :wink:

Hoppkins

Post by Hoppkins » Wed Dec 20, 2006 10:24 am

In the end i boiled the tea bag thing for 30 mins, added it to the wort and mixed, filled with water, added yeast and stirred for 5 mins.

Its sitting in my computer room getting started. No sign of froth yet but as Orfy said in my other post it can take 24 hours. I'm just paranoid ;)

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