Coopers APA - 2 tins and a load of hops!

[Monkeybrew]

My next brew was going to be a Coopers APA to 20L with 500g of DME, 500g of BKE1 and 60g of Cascade hops (boiled/steeped/dry).

I then read the new Coopers Fruit Salad Ale recipe (http://www.coopers.com.au/the-brewers-g ... -salad-ale) and thought that this would be a good way to use up my left over Amarillo hops too.

I plan to take this recipe alot further though, and create a maltier, hoppier brew with more bitterness.

Recipe -

Empty out both APA tins into the FV, then rinse out both tins with boiling water and add to a pan, then top up to about 5L for the short boil.

2 x 1.7kg Tins of Coopers APA
11g Sachet of Nottingham Yeast
Brewlength - 23L

20g of Cascade Hops (6.10%AA) @ 15mins
16g of Amarillo Hops (11.20%AA) @ 15mins

20g of Cascade Hops (6.10%AA) @ 0mins (80C, 30min steep)
16g of Amarillo Hops (11.20%AA) @ 0mins (80C, 30min steep)

20g of Cascade Hops (6.10%AA) Dry Hop from day 1
20g of Amarillo Hops (11.20%AA) Dry Hop from day 1

I'm not too sure what final IBU i will get from the 2 x tins of APA, but boiling the Amarillo for 15mins should add approx. 7.5 IBU's & 5 IBU's from the Cascade.

Coopers state an IBU of 340 per APA tin, but I'm not too sure how this translates into a 23L finished brew. It certainly won't be too extreme, because the SMOTY toucan recipe I brewed uses a tin of APA & a tin of Dark Ale and that is very drinkable

I plan to get this brew going on Monday evening, so I will update with an OG once it's underway.

[poo hed]

Coopers state an IBU of 340 per APA tin, but I'm not too sure how this translates into a 23L finished brew.

i think its just divided by your brew-length in litres (*seems to provide a rational IBU that way) that's what i've been doing anyhoo

*i think the apa really is that low (14 @ 23l), it sure does taste pathetic when you do it to 23l with just "1kg of fermentables", also bare in mind the stout works out to a more respectable 31 @ 23l this way.

[Stomach]

That sounds gorgeous!! I cant wait to hear how this one turns out matey!

[Monkeybrew]

That sounds gorgeous!! I cant wait to hear how this one turns out matey!

Yeah, I think that it should turn out well

I was going to get a 1.5kg tin of Coopers light LME, but for another £1 I can get the APA which is 1.7kg, will add some bitterness and will leave me with another spare yeast which is always handy to have to tinker with.

[Stomach]

That sounds gorgeous!! I cant wait to hear how this one turns out matey!

Yeah, I think that it should turn out well

I was going to get a 1.5kg tin of Coopers light LME, but for another £1 I can get the APA which is 1.7kg, will add some bitterness and will leave me with another spare yeast which is always handy to have to tinker with.

Hopefully the hops will hang around! I am finding my hop additons dissapear far too quickly as you will discover!

I am looking to make a really nice spring and summer ale soon! the reasearch starts here!!

[Geezah]

Thats gonna be as bright as a larger with nice unexpected hoppy kick I imagine.
I think you might lose some of the maltiness flavour with the hops you got planned though. I'd be tempted to add a bit of crystal in to the mix ... 50-75g just to get the malty bite present.

[Monkeybrew]

Thats gonna be as bright as a larger with nice unexpected hoppy kick I imagine.
I think you might lose some of the maltiness flavour with the hops you got planned though. I'd be tempted to add a bit of crystal in to the mix ... 50-75g just to get the malty bite present.

Hmmn, I really wanted to keep this brew as pale looking as possible, so may risk leaving the crystal out.

My current favourite local brew is this little gem -

[Monkeybrew]

Thats gonna be as bright as a larger with nice unexpected hoppy kick I imagine.
I think you might lose some of the maltiness flavour with the hops you got planned though. I'd be tempted to add a bit of crystal in to the mix ... 50-75g just to get the malty bite present.

Hmmn, I really wanted to keep this brew as pale looking as possible, so may risk leaving the crystal out.

Just remembered that I've got 140g of crushed Carapils (lightest of the crystal malts) malt left, so may add this for a little extra malty body, without altering the colour of the final brew.

Coopers state an IBU of 340 per APA tin, but I'm not too sure how this translates into a 23L finished brew.

i think its just divided by your brew-length in litres (*seems to provide a rational IBU that way) that's what i've been doing anyhoo

*i think the apa really is that low (14 @ 23l), it sure does taste pathetic when you do it to 23l with just "1kg of fermentables", also bare in mind the stout works out to a more respectable 31 @ 23l this way.

I asked the question on the Coopers forum about the kit IBU conversion and got this reply -

Coopers APA kit tin - 340 IBU x 1.7 / 23 = 25 IBU

But they say that there is a loss of up to 20% during fermentation, so it's probably around 20 IBU's.

I assume that this also applies to thier EBC rating too.

90 EBC x 1.7 / 23 = 6.6 EBC which seems about right to me.

My Toucan APA should be around 40 IBU's before hopping and approx 13 EBC in colour.

[ajclarkson]

This sounds really really nice, but my only question is about dry hopping at day one. When I've read up about it, almost everything seemed to say do it after the vigorous fermentation had finished so that the aroma qualities aren't lost with the large amount of CO2 coming off the beer.

I'm very new to dry hopping and getting it right is key to my love of really hoppy IPAs so I was wondering if there is any reason you are hopping from day 1?

Thanks

Adam

[poo hed]

I asked the question on the Coopers forum about the kit IBU conversion and got this reply -

Coopers APA kit tin - 340 IBU x 1.7 / 23 = 25 IBU

But they say that there is a loss of up to 20% during fermentation, so it's probably around 20 IBU's.

I assume that this also applies to thier EBC rating too.

90 EBC x 1.7 / 23 = 6.6 EBC which seems about right to me.

Thankyou !!!!

i didn't know they quoted the IBU per kilo ("x 1.7 "), instead of per can, seems abit weird, i've been getting things wrong as usual then (at least i got the / by brew length bit right)

glad about the loss during fermentation, makes my stupidity that little bit more accurate!

[Monkeybrew]

This sounds really really nice, but my only question is about dry hopping at day one. When I've read up about it, almost everything seemed to say do it after the vigorous fermentation had finished so that the aroma qualities aren't lost with the large amount of CO2 coming off the beer.

I'm very new to dry hopping and getting it right is key to my love of really hoppy IPAs so I was wondering if there is any reason you are hopping from day 1?

Thanks

Adam

Yeah, I am seemingly going about it the wrong way with the dry hopping method, but when I brewed the Coopers Extra Strong Vintage Ale recipe last year that was purely dry hopped, it called for dry hops in at day one, and it was really tasty and aromatic.

I think it was in the FV for a total of 12 days.

MB

[Monkeybrew]

I asked the question on the Coopers forum about the kit IBU conversion and got this reply -

Coopers APA kit tin - 340 IBU x 1.7 / 23 = 25 IBU

But they say that there is a loss of up to 20% during fermentation, so it's probably around 20 IBU's.

I assume that this also applies to thier EBC rating too.

90 EBC x 1.7 / 23 = 6.6 EBC which seems about right to me.

Thankyou !!!!

i didn't know they quoted the IBU per kilo ("x 1.7 "), instead of per can, seems abit weird, i've been getting things wrong as usual then (at least i got the / by brew length bit right)

glad about the loss during fermentation, makes my stupidity that little bit more accurate!

Don't be hard on yourself man!

I still find it hard to believe that a standard APA brewed to 23L has an IBU of 20, but at least its a reference point.

[Paddy Bubbles]

Hmmn, I really wanted to keep this brew as pale looking as possible, so may risk leaving the crystal out.

Jesus monkey, another APA kit?? You must be permanently smashed, you lucky git...

Just use something like Crystal 15L, or Caramalt. You'll get the sweetness without much colour. The bit of added crystal will work nicely with the dry Notty yeast.

[Monkeybrew]

Hmmn, I really wanted to keep this brew as pale looking as possible, so may risk leaving the crystal out.

Jesus monkey, another APA kit?? You must be permanently smashed, you lucky git...

Just use something like Crystal 15L, or Caramalt. You'll get the sweetness without much colour. The bit of added crystal will work nicely with the dry Notty yeast.

Not so lucky I'm afraid, my last APA turned out undrinkable and went down the sink, so I'm not quite the fish that you thought I was

I still don't really know what happened to it , I can only assume that it was my first infection!

[Monkeybrew]

I delayed brewing last night, so I could call in at my LHBS today.

I have picked up 250g of Crushed Caramalt (EBC 30), and am thinking of using the lot in this brew