New forum for progressing individual ales

[mysterio]

There's... a forum for snus ? Is Ditch the moderator there?

[arkadiuszmakarenko]

Wikimedia would be good idea for recipes. It`s easy to implement and you have option discussion, when you are logged in.
You can organize everything in quite easy way, its simple to add new articles (recipes).
For example you can see how it`s done in wiki.piwo.org ( http://www.wiki.piwo.org/index.php/Kate ... 2od%C3%B3w ) with recipe, or list BJCP translation ( http://www.wiki.piwo.org/index.php/Zest ... w_(tabela) )

[FlourPower]

It's a lot of work for people to moderate and only really works if a similar format is followed for all.

I do think the Recipe forum could be split a little better though. Maybe AG/Extract or Individual/clones. I looked through all the titles in the recipe forum a week ago (after 1st AG for inspiration) and there were a lot of posts whose title gave little information of the content of the post as well as multiple posts for the same clone beer.

Again a lot of moderation is involved if this was to be sorted (i.e. telling people constantly to use the search function/locking multiple posts on the same beer.)

For the original motion I say nay! However I think further investigation into the recipe section wouldn't harm

[EccentricDyslexic]

I like adm's idea of stickes for each beer and just one sub forum maybe called 'Clones'

Steve

[adm]

There's... a forum for snus ? Is Ditch the moderator there?

I couldn't quite believe it either.......but www.snuson.com

Turns out, there's a forum for everything from cheesemaking to cat strangling.

[Horden Hillbilly]

Would it be a good idea to have a sub forum discussing individual ale recipes including clones? For example there are many many posts discussing London Pride.

The problem would be who decides which variation of the recipe is the correct one? As seen here, forum members feelings can run fairly high sometimes.

[EccentricDyslexic]

Would it be a good idea to have a sub forum discussing individual ale recipes including clones? For example there are many many posts discussing London Pride.

The problem would be who decides which variation of the recipe is the correct one? As seen here, forum members feelings can run fairly high sometimes.

But with a sub forum for LP, there can a few versions being worked on at any time, but i can see this could be a problem with Stickies.

steve

[floydmeddler]

www.aussiehomebrewer.com have a pretty good set up:

http://www.aussiehomebrewer.com/forum// ... m=recipedb

Be nice to post your recipes and have your beer peers try them out then rate them. Might even spark up a bit of friendly competition too.

[Dr. Dextrin]

I quite like the sport of cloning and I think this is a great idea. "Open sourcing" clone recipes should in theory allow many more people to contribute and greatly improve the recipes. The current system that relies on searching works in a way, but it lacks the focus you need. Too often you get many threads that basically propagate the same recipe (but tweaked according to what the author has in his fridge) without really improving it.

A wiki would provide focus, but has the problem that there can ultimately be only one version of the "truth" so you need an editor, or warfare breaks out. But how would an editor know which recipe was best without brewing them all?

I like the idea of stickies. I think that would provide the right balance between flexibility and focus. But I agree that there would be tons of threads and most would have very few posts. Maybe if we had a "Clones" sub-forum, the mods could create stickies at their discretion for brews that seem to be drawing a lot of interest? But I don't think that's ideal.

Another possibility might be just one sticky that contains links to the "official" thread in the recipe section for each clone brew (maintained by a moderator perhaps, but not necessarily). That way, if you want to find a brew, or contribute some information, you can always find the thread, even if it hasn't been used for a while. This would collect all the information for each clone into a single thread, which I think was the objective, but without major change.

[EccentricDyslexic]

Some good thoughts Dr D. et al. So how about a compromise...sub forums off of Recipes for each brewery, and stickies for each individual brew? So for example- Sub forum 'Fullers', with stickies for 'London Pride Clones', 'Explorer Clones', 'Chiswick Clones', 'HSB Clones' and 'ESB Clones'. You could lock the forum to only allow posts to a sticky, so as to not end up with spurious threads. We could rename the 'Recipes' forum to 'Prize winning and Misc.recipes.' just a thought!

Thoughts people?

Shall i start a new poll?

Steve

[De-Geert]

On the Dutch forum, there is a "tag"-system. Tags can be added to every thread, and that gives a possibility so search tags.
For example, a thread about a Fullers ESB can have the tags "clone", "ESB" and "Fullers".
This makes searching very easy, and it is not something Moderaters have to keep up with, because tags can be added by members.

[De-Geert]

Tags (as mentioned by the previous poster are fine) but if you put an accurate description of the topic in the topic title and use the search the topic title option there's no need to add them either.

Very true, but my experience tells me that very often threads take a different direction and titles are often badly chosen.
But in both cases you need the search function, and that functions well.

[Dr. Dextrin]

Search is all very well, but if you rely on it, it can be difficult to know where to post new information. Suppose someone visits a brewery and extracts some vital info about a brew, for example. They could search Jim's for the beer and probably come up with a dozen threads. They'd just have to pick one at random, or more probably start a new one. So the information becomes dispersed.

When someone else next posts on the same beer, chances are they'll not have read the previous thread. In an ideal world they would have searched for it, but in the real world they won't. So they start another thread and post something that would make no sense if they'd read the earlier one. So we have more information, but no real progress.

So the minimum I'd like to see is a way of knowing where to post on a specific beer, so that anything I post can be read in the context of whatever has gone before. How it's implemented doesn't bother me greatly.

[DEV]

I can't really see the point of posting improvments and tweaking of recipes ( say London Pride )
because just looking at other posts not everyone has the same brewing set up and brewing methods.
( ie brewing effiencey, sparging, mashing. ) some will complain its not quite right and the colour is wrong
and when you read on they are drinking it only 2 weeks old, some can't wait for it to condition long enough.
The recipe section on here gives everyone a good starting point, if you use any of DLs GWs books it's a great
way to start off cloning beers, adjusting to suit your own brewing set up.
Also someone says i'm brewing TTL tonight anyone got a recipe, so you post a recipe word for word say from GWs
book to help them out, and they want to brew it with different stuff that they have left over, so why not just ask for
a recipe for bitter