Stout Help with Recipe EBC issue

[barneey]

Hi All,

I have a brew day booked in for tomorrow but am having a problem with the EBC colour of the stout.

Basically 23ltr batch

Maris otter Pale malt 3900g - 5.9 EBC
Cara 220g - 5 EBC
Chocolate 140g - 1000 EBC
Brown 140g – 128.1 EBC
Black 140g - 1300 EBC
Wheat malt 220g – 4 EBC

Could someone enter the above into their computer program (I use Beersmith2) and let me know what EBC colour rating they calculate it at?

Cheers + Many Thanks

[brewnaboinne]

I get an EBC of 138 using the Beer Engine but I didn't edit the grains so there are some slight differences in the individual EBCs

[Froggit]

I get 48.7 on Beersmith2

[barneey]

Mmmm, this is driving me nuts,

I`ve been getting 49.80 all this afternoon using BeerSmith2, Ive just downloaded BEv1.09 (never used it until now) added in the % 81.9,4.6,2.9,2.9,2.9,4.6 Gravity of 1.046 not changing the EBC values and its giving me a value of 119.

According to the original recipe it should be 105 EBC so nearer the BE figure.

Anyone any ideas of why BS2 is half that?

Cheers

[Froggit]

Did it with brewmate and got 46.3, unable to alter the EBC levels on the individual malts but they were all reasonably close to your figures.

[barneey]

Thanks Froggit & brewnaboinne for testing out the figures, at least its not something I`ve messed up in BS2 whilst playing around with the program.

Ive noticed the all the stout profiles only go upto 78.8 on BS2?

Anyone any ideas why the difference?

Cheers

[brewnaboinne]

Barneey,
I think I've worked out what the problem is. I think Beersmith uses SRM not EBC.
You didn't say what your mash efficiency is but I've calculated the old fashioned way(with shock horror pen and paper) assuming 75% and come out with EBC of 121. This equates to SRM of about 45 I think.
And then Guinness has an EBC of about 200 so an SRM of 78.8 is about as black as blackstuff can get.

[Froggit]

Barneey,
I think I've worked out what the problem is. I think Beersmith uses SRM not EBC.
You didn't say what your mash efficiency is but I've calculated the old fashioned way(with shock horror pen and paper) assuming 75% and come out with EBC of 121. This equates to SRM of about 45 I think.

I initially thought the same myself yesterday but then the conversion figures didnt seem close enough using this convertor so i didnt post! Im assuming its accurate as its on the interweb
http://pint.com.au/calculators/maltcolour/

*edit after just visiting beersmith website i discovered you can set the program to ebc or srm in the options tab, i think yours will be set to ebc, i cant find any issues regarding the ebc levels in the beersmith forum, i will continue searching.

[barneey]

Cheers for the replies,

I`ve doubled checked BS2 in the options and it is set to EBC, all the readings are in shown in EBC in the design folder etc.

To triple check I changed the units to SRM which then reduced the value by approx 1/2.



So still something isnt quite right???

[Froggit]

You could try posting the same question on the beersmith forum, they seem pretty helpful.

[barneey]

Funny enough after posting at the above, I registered at BS forum website and posted the question, 05.53 their time so will wait a while to see if anyone responds.

Cheers

[Deebee]

Funny enough after posting at the above, I registered at BS forum website and posted the question, 05.53 their time so will wait a while to see if anyone responds.

Cheers

any feedback on this?

[barneey]

Only 1 reply on the BS website by a member, giving the result of 50 EBC, so still in limbo on this one, as I have the ingredients I`ll probadly just brew it and see what happens....

Cheers

[Deebee]

Only 1 reply on the BS website by a member, giving the result of 50 EBC, so still in limbo on this one, as I have the ingredients I`ll probadly just brew it and see what happens....

Cheers

It will still be beer..... just not 100% to style... who cares:)