elderflowe champagne recipe

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Tequilla6

Re: elderflowe champagne recipe

Post by Tequilla6 » Wed Jun 24, 2009 11:01 am

1. How do I know when primary fermentation has finish - one batch the HTW one was bubbling away when I bottled it the other mix off a BBC website wasn't really doing a great deal.
If the gravity reading is stable for 2 days, between 990- 1.000 for wine I would suggest
2. On subsequent batches should I wait for all the fizzing to finish before bottling.
If you can let the primary fermentation complete (The fizzing to stop) and add additional sugars for the secondary carbonation. This does mean however you should limit the amount of alcohol produced in the primary fermentation of your wine to around 12% max, else the brew will have too high an alcohol content and the yeast will not be able to convert the additional sugar to give the fizz you want. Do you not use an airlock to monitor fermentation :?:
3. Also the do you think I have a ticking time bomb with the HTW batch in sparkling wine bottles seeing as I'm letting off the pressure in the PET bottle twice a day at the moment?
YES
4. Should I be trying to stop the fermentation by chilling avoiding exploding bottles?
Not by chilling, that will not work as it will only slow the fermentation down and not kill the yeast. You need to kill the yeast with sulphates or let the fermentation complete. Once you have measured the specific gravity of your still fermenting brew it will be easier to advise. At this point you have an unknown gravity and so we do not know how far it has dropped from its original gravity (Not that we will really ever know this) and how far it may be expected to fall to its final gravity. We need a Gravity reading to assist or else you should wait till the fizzing has stopped and then add a little more sugar when you bottle.
5. Any other web reading you would recommend for idiots like me!!
You are probably on one of the best sites for advise already. Just read the forum posts and if it doesn't make sense ask a question :D

Best advise I can give you at the moment is
1.Buy a hydrometer and sample flask.
2. Note the full details your recipe on any subsequent brew.
3.Take a gravity measurement of said brew before adding any yeast and write it down. (This reading will also tell you what % alcohol you can expect).
4. You can monitor by use of an airlock fermentation progress.
5. After 5 days take another gravity reading to monitor how well the yeast is converting the sugar into alcohol. Is it at bottling gravity (shown on most beer and wine Hydrometers)
6. If not leave for a little longer (around 2 days depending on expected Specific Gravity). and repeat step 5 until you get the same reading twice.
7. If you want fizzy wine you can now safely add some more sugar 5-10gms per 750ml bottle and bottle your brew.

I'm not saying you will not get bottle bombs with this method, but it will greatly reduce the risk and if you ever get one it will be because of a fault in the PET or glass bottle used, not because you have over pressurised your bottles. I have not had a broken bottle yet but then my beer is only lightly carbonated as I don't like or drink fizzy pop.

FAIRYJUICE

Re: elderflowe champagne recipe

Post by FAIRYJUICE » Wed Jun 24, 2009 12:29 pm

Tequilla6 Star you are!!!

One final question (honest)

How do you stop fermentation of a bottled Elderflower Champagne? Bottled, Plastic cork and cage.

Bombs away chaps!!!

:D

Doobury1050

Re: elderflowe champagne recipe

Post by Doobury1050 » Thu Jun 25, 2009 1:53 am

Hi Fairyjuice

This is my first post on this forum, but I had to share my experience with my first brew of HFW's elderflower champagne. Having brewed before I think I spotted something obviously wrong with the basic recipe (off C4 website) should have been 16 litres not 6 I'm pretty sure . I followed the basic recipe with regard to ingredients, but made mine to 19 litres and bottled into swing top bottles at 1010 (get a hydrometer and trial jar, a must if you wish to continue brewing this stuff safely. YES I FEEL YOU HAVE A TICKNG TIME BOMB) I am drinking a glass now as I type this post ( picked my flowers and started my brew 1st week in June) Fantastic! Good nose, a bit thin on taste (but the fizzy zing makes it very refreshing and a good mixer) a long flavorsome aftertaste, well worth doing.
Sorry if this post is a bit late to help you with your current problem (I think that if your current HFW brew does not burst you will get a poor return from your brew as most of the stuff will uncontrollably foam from your bottles :cry:

Tequilla6

Re: elderflowe champagne recipe

Post by Tequilla6 » Thu Jun 25, 2009 1:29 pm

I know that to stop fermentation you use Potassium Sorbate with either Potassium Metabisulphite, or Capden tablets. But as I have never used any of these for this particular purpose I cannot advise on the quantities.

I will have to leave that question up to someone else.

FAIRYJUICE

Re: elderflowe champagne recipe

Post by FAIRYJUICE » Fri Jun 26, 2009 11:57 pm

WOW

So yes one Champagne bottle exploded today - in shed - don't know when - can't find any of the bottle at the moment apart from the base - though I didn't stick around to look!!!

Stuck another bottle in a bucket with some ice with another bucket on top just in case - unscrewed the wire on the cage one turn and POW!!! cork never to be seen again - surprisingly still almost a full bottle left after a bit of foaming.

Tastes fantasic and pretty potent!!! Singing after glass and a half!!!!!!!

onelegout

Re: elderflowe champagne recipe

Post by onelegout » Mon Jul 06, 2009 3:22 pm

Just a quick update to this:
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Mine's yummeeeh!

Tequilla6

Re: elderflowe champagne recipe

Post by Tequilla6 » Mon Jul 06, 2009 10:32 pm

Nice to see yours nice a fizzy with a cloudy lemonade style to it. I've been concerned about that on mine, Had a first bottle of my still very young "Sambucus" Elderflower flavoured beer which was also a little cloudy for my liking. but although the brew has only been in the bottle for 4 days it now has a nice gentle carbonation and is tasting absolutely gorgeous. Hints of Amarillo and toffee with the distinct Elderflower flavour in there as well. The Elderflower Champagne will be bottled tomorrow after I fermented out fully and added some finings. Will use secondary fermentation to give some fizz and if it turns out as good as yours looks I'll be happy.

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