ALL GRAIN LAGER HELP

[kris12312]

can i use maris otter pale ale malt as my base malt ? and what other malt would i add in ?
the yeast i plan to use is saflager w-34/70
hops sazz, tettnang , hallerauer , or bobeck

[mysterio]

Yes you can but ideally you want lager malt. Still MO will make a good lager.

You could just do a single malt and single hop kind of idea here. Go Saaz all the way or Hallertau if you want something more floral.

How hoppy do you want the beer and how bitter? Pitch a decent amount of yeast and ferment 10 - 12 C

[dave-o]

Perhaps consider mashing it at a lower temperature for a drier finish.

Of those hops, i'd use saaz for bittering with more saaz plus a bit of bobek right at the end.

[kris12312]

lower temperature i mash at 68 how much lower ?
i want like a carling like lager if that helps , ive never made a good larger in all grain only done 2 AG to date lol

[dave-o]

lower temperature i mash at 68 how much lower ?

Perhaps 65 or 66

i want like a carling like lager if that helps ,

Then don't waste good malt and hops. Simply piss in a bucket for a week, add half a bottle of meths and then carbonate it.

[kris12312]

haha i no that but its not for me , i no there like carling but i want to make a lot better lager

[mysterio]

About 4.5kg pale malt

50g of Saaz for 60 mins

Another 30 - 50g at the end of the boil.

Should be a nice lager with a bit more flavour than what they're used to but not too scary.

[Scotty]

haha i no that but its not for me , i no there like carling but i want to make a lot better lager

Pissing in a bucket would make a better lager than carling anyway

Yeah, you can replace Lager with MO malt but it won't have the ligher colour you may expect from a lager. Garth and I brewed a variation of Horden Hillbilly's lager and had to replace a large proportion of Lager with MO and it worked just fine. Horden's recipe page - http://uk-homebrew.tripod.com/id26.html. Hope you don't mind HH?!

[Horden Hillbilly]

No, of course not. Looking back over the years, I think that most of the UK has been awash with Mrs H's lager! lol.

[kris12312]

haha i think i will try a few of your recipes out , got loads of hops that need to be used up

[kris12312]

this wot i have went with

4.5 kg ( 97.8% ) maris otter
0.1kg ( 2.2% ) wheat flaked
mashed at 65 C
pre boil = 1.040 post boil = 1.048
final 1.011 = 4.8 %
60 min 50g of sazz 2.5% a 15 ibu
5 min 30g 0f sazz 2.5% a 2 ibu
yeast w-34/70
sound ok ????

[mysterio]

Yes, keep it fermenting at 10 - 12 C if you can

[dave-o]

Yes, it'll be a tasty brew IMO. Probably too good for your Carling-drinking mate. Keep it for yourself!

[mooj]

Difficult to clone a commercial lager IMO, you just can't get them to taste bad enough, thankfully homebrew lager is much tastier. I spoke to a guy from Coors brewery a few years back who swore that carling actually tasted good before they filtered and pasteurised it!

On a side note, has anyone tried the SB14 lager yeast? I have 4 packs I bought last year and the current shed temperature is looking good for an upcoming lager brew........

[kris12312]

no only ever used saf s23 n w-34/70 let me no how it turns out tho