Dartmoor Brewery's Jail Ale

[Troutman47]

Hi all, any one have a recipe for Dartmoor Brewery's Jail Ale?

Lovely beer, was drinking it in one of my favourite pubs, The Red Lion,Exbourne near Okehampton.
It's one of two pubs in Devon that has NO pumps on the bar, they generally have 3 ales on the go, Tribute, Legend and Jail.
If you want lager or cider it comes out of a bottle!The food they serve is great too!!

Any way, if any one can help with a recipe for Jail I'd appreciate it.

Cheers all!

[seymour]

I have not seen a recipe for Dartmoor Jail Ale, which is 4.8% ABV...

However, I do have a recipe for Dartmoor Best Bitter:
OG: 1038
ABV: 3.8%
IBU: 30
COLOUR: 12°SRM/24°EBC
GRAINBILL: 86% Pale, 14% Crystal Malt
HOPS: Fuggles, Goldings, Progress (60 min), Goldings (15 min)

Dartmoor doesn't even appear to brew the "Best Bitter" any more. It's entirely possible they simply increased the original gravity of their flagship brew to 1048 and renamed it "Jail Ale." Everything else about the recipe seems to fit, so it's worth a try at least.

[Belter]

Did Dartmoor eventually lose the war to St Austell over use of the name?

[jimp2003]

Its a nice pint. Have you tried dropping a note to the brewer to see if you can get any info?

[Troutman47]

Thanks for the replies guys,
That recipes is definitely worth ago, I can put it into Beer Alchemy and adjust a slider until I get to 1048.

Haven't heard anything about the name, it's all gone very quiet! Dartmoor is in Devon though, not Cornwall!

Hadn't thought about dropping the brewery an email, I was talking to a mate about Jail last night and this has been my first port of call.

Cheers all!

[Belter]

Yeah St Austell wanted to brew it for some reason. They had a legal dispute about

[seymour]

What is the legal basis for a dispute over English ale containing pale and crystal malts with Fuggles and Goldings hops?! Sometimes I get the feeling you guys have that substance flowing from springs in the ground.

[jonnyt]

Well of late we have had lots of brown coloured stuff coming out of the ground. Sewage from all the flooding we have had in the past 12 months.
We are also unusually still in the grip of Winter, most plants are 4 weeks plus behind at the moment.

[Troutman47]

I have not seen a recipe for Dartmoor Jail Ale, which is 4.8% ABV...

However, I do have a recipe for Dartmoor Best Bitter:
OG: 1038
ABV: 3.8%
IBU: 30
COLOUR: 12°SRM/24°EBC
GRAINBILL: 86% Pale, 14% Crystal Malt
HOPS: Fuggles, Goldings, Progress (60 min), Goldings (15 min)

Dartmoor doesn't even appear to brew the "Best Bitter" any more. It's entirely possible they simply increased the original gravity of their flagship brew to 1048 and renamed it "Jail Ale." Everything else about the recipe seems to fit, so it's worth a try at least.

Hi Seymour,
I've put this recipe into Beer Alchemy but what is your opinion on the split for the hops?
Initially I've just gone for an equal split to 30 EBU's.

What do you reckon?

Cheers

[seymour]

I have not seen a recipe for Dartmoor Jail Ale, which is 4.8% ABV...

However, I do have a recipe for Dartmoor Best Bitter:
OG: 1038
ABV: 3.8%
IBU: 30
COLOUR: 12°SRM/24°EBC
GRAINBILL: 86% Pale, 14% Crystal Malt
HOPS: Fuggles, Goldings, Progress (60 min), Goldings (15 min)

Dartmoor doesn't even appear to brew the "Best Bitter" any more. It's entirely possible they simply increased the original gravity of their flagship brew to 1048 and renamed it "Jail Ale." Everything else about the recipe seems to fit, so it's worth a try at least.

Hi Seymour,
I've put this recipe into Beer Alchemy but what is your opinion on the split for the hops?
Initially I've just gone for an equal split to 30 EBU's.

What do you reckon?

Cheers

Yeah, good idea. I don't have any better ones, in any case. All three are commonly used as kettle hops in similar English ales, so it's certainly a logical first attempt.

Good luck!
-Seymour

[Troutman47]

Thanks Seymour, I'll let you know how it goes.

Cheers

[Matt12398]

What is the legal basis for a dispute over English ale containing pale and crystal malts with Fuggles and Goldings hops?! Sometimes I get the feeling you guys have that substance flowing from springs in the ground.

OK so a bit of a UK geography lesson in case you are not familiar. Cornwall is the county at the south western tip of the UK where myself and Belter both live and we grew up close to a town called St. Austell which is the most populous town in the county. Within the town we have one of the oldest and largest breweries in the south west of England called St. Austell Brewery founded in 1851.

Dartmoor and the brewery of the same name are located in Devon which is the neighbouring county to Cornwall. Cornwall and Devon have a long fought rivalry because Cornwall invented the pasty, pretty much educated the world in mining practices and we know which way round you should apply clotted cream and jam to a scone. Devon on the other hand has done very little since sending pilgrims to America.

St. Austell brewery has been producing Dartmoor Best Bitter and Dartmoor brewery has been getting a bit annoyed about it. But that's Devon for you.

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-devon-15285521

[seymour]

Fascinating. No, I didn't know any of that.

[Troutman47]

I think Matt is a bit biased here, undoubtably because he's Cornish and nothing to do with webbed feet!

As I understand it Devon invented the pasty a looong time before the Cornish and it is they who can't put the jam and cream on a scone the correct way.
They were ruled by the Welsh some 1000 years ago and about 10 of them speak a version of the Welsh language but call it Cornish.
You can now see similarities between the Welsh and Cornish with their nationalistic ideas!

Devon is also the birthplace of Sir Francis Drake who was born in Tavistock, a stannary town in the heart of Dartmoor National Park.

Interestingly, it seems the Cornish are descendants from Devon!

'Devon has its historical origins in classical antiquity and derives its name from Dumnonia, which, during the British Iron Age and Roman Britain, was the homeland of the Dumnonii Celts. The Anglo-Saxon settlement of Britain resulted in the partial assimilation of Dumnonia into the Kingdom of Wessex during the eighth and ninth centuries, resulting in emigration of some Celts to Cornwall and Domnonee (in what is now Brittany). Devon was constituted as a shire of the Kingdom of England thereafter, with the River Tamar forming the western boundary with Cornwall as set by King Æthelstan in 936.'

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[Matt12398]

This is exactly what I was talking about. I'm sure this argument could go on for years.