Is it a Bitter, Pale Ale or Amber Ale?

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Re: Is it a Bitter, Pale Ale or Amber Ale?

Post by Cobnut » Sat Feb 14, 2026 10:16 am

I have found 20g table sugar sufficient for priming a pin.

And as for keystones “popping” out - this happened to me once; the pin was on its’ side in my shed which oft-times gets to 30C+ in the summer. I entered the shed and noticed a strong smell of beer and then saw the “flood” on the floor. There were not quite tears, but certainly a very sad occurrence ☹️
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Re: Is it a Bitter, Pale Ale or Amber Ale?

Post by nallum » Sat Feb 14, 2026 12:48 pm

Cobnut wrote:
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I have found 20g table sugar sufficient for priming a pin.
That's going work fine when you want to tap and serve straight away and the beer is going to be consumed in good time. I found I was getting too much flat beer with no convenient option to recondition in the pin. And I was wasting too much beer between sessions. It was putting me off using the pin regularly. No problem now it's been modified for home use. I'm aiming to replenish it monthly. Not a drop of beer wasted and, if needed, I can apply some CO2. Peebee's recommended gas regulator works like a charm. (My old cask breather gets used for cold crashing lagers these days.)

Anyway, for me, there are some genuine benefits to conditioning to a livelier/higher level. It's easier to bring it down to a desired level before serving than to increase it if something goes wrong and it's too low. The beer stays in good condition for longer. And CO2 is a great natural preservative for beer. In my mind, it's really what casks and their management were designed for.

I haven't had any pop so far. (Touch wood.) I do put a little of the beer being casked around the sealing edges of the keystone and the shive, which dries to an effective glue. PITA to remove, especially the shive.

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Re: Is it a Bitter, Pale Ale or Amber Ale?

Post by nallum » Sat Feb 21, 2026 6:29 pm

Still enjoying this one a lot.
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It's pin bright now - I didn't use cask finings. I'd say a noticeable slight improvement compared with last week. Even nicer. I don't think it'll last much longer than next weekend. I need to get another batch rocking soon. Invert #2 at Eric's recommended percentage with less flaked maize.

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Re: Is it a Bitter, Pale Ale or Amber Ale?

Post by Eric » Sun Feb 22, 2026 5:41 pm

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Re: Is it a Bitter, Pale Ale or Amber Ale?

Post by Eric » Sun Feb 22, 2026 5:41 pm

That looks great John, more invert of your choice should give it more colour.
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Below is a recipe for Nimmo's XXXXP made at Castle Eden Brewery, known locally as 4X. DA was Durham Ale, made from more or less the same recipe but with more darker sugar, but of lower gravity.
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Re: Is it a Bitter, Pale Ale or Amber Ale?

Post by Eric » Sun Feb 22, 2026 5:52 pm

I seem to be having some difficulty in uploading pictures.

A quarter of malted barley was said to be 336 lbs, Flaked Maize will have been 256 lbs. A quarter of Cane Sugar will have been 2 cwt or 224 lbs and have been of the solid type.

Hydrol was the major byproduct when making sugar from corn or beet, not that from cane sugar.
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Re: Is it a Bitter, Pale Ale or Amber Ale?

Post by nallum » Mon Feb 23, 2026 4:18 pm

Interesting info, Eric. When I read it last night I decided to pull a couple half pints through a sparkler.
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Very nice it was too. Good creamy head offering up the hop character nicely and a bit smoother generally.
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Re: Is it a Bitter, Pale Ale or Amber Ale?

Post by nallum » Mon Feb 23, 2026 4:33 pm

Next batch:
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Re: Is it a Bitter, Pale Ale or Amber Ale?

Post by Eric » Mon Feb 23, 2026 6:00 pm

I had more trouble than I thought in uploading the picture and uploaded the wrong one. Another try.
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That looks a good, almost Northern, pour. Hope your next brew turns out as well.
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Re: Is it a Bitter, Pale Ale or Amber Ale?

Post by nallum » Fri Feb 27, 2026 5:12 pm

Brewed the 2nd batch today. OG=1.044 in the FV, with 500g invert #3.
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Without (left) vs with 14.6% invert #3 (right). Quite a contrast.

Edit: The wort sample on the left is kettle wort ready (clear) to transfer to the fermenter. The wort sample on the right is from the fermenter after mixing the invert #3, before pitching the yeast. The wort doesn't need to be this clear, but it doesn't take any effort, just a little time, and it helps downstream in the process, with yeast harvesting and conditioning the beer.

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Re: Is it a Bitter, Pale Ale or Amber Ale?

Post by nallum » Fri Mar 13, 2026 5:01 pm

Certainly added a little inviting colour. A nice golden beer compared to what was quite 'anaemic' by comparison.
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This one is much the same otherwise. A bit more 'luscious' due to the molasses in the invert #3, but still subtle and has to be 'looked for' to appreciate. Although I think it smooths the hop character a tad. More hops next time, I think.

I tried it first through a party tap to check condition and thought it had some edges, but these balanced out nicely pulled through the beer engine. Another nice refreshing ale and very suitable for the summer, I reckon.

I'm thinking about brewing several 1/2 batches, each one maxing a factor (not much beyond inverts and hops). Then have some fun blending to dial in my 'perfect' recipe for this ale.

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Re: Is it a Bitter, Pale Ale or Amber Ale?

Post by nallum » Fri Mar 13, 2026 5:30 pm

Just noticed the picture above showing samples before and after adding invert look much darker than they were. Lighting and digital camera on my phone? 🤷‍♂️

Edit: Just pulled half pint of the bitter that was in the FV next to it.
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Re: Is it a Bitter, Pale Ale or Amber Ale?

Post by nallum » Sun Mar 15, 2026 2:21 pm

DIY and gardening since 8 this morning. And this is about as refreshing as a thirst quencher gets. Complemented by a little sun. 😎
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Re: Is it a Bitter, Pale Ale or Amber Ale?

Post by nallum » Sun Mar 15, 2026 2:39 pm

I think this one has peaked already. Finely balanced with mild malt character and subtle lusciousness fading to a lingering citrus bitterness. 😋
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Re: Is it a Bitter, Pale Ale or Amber Ale?

Post by MashBag » Fri Mar 20, 2026 3:14 pm

Eric wrote:
Sun Feb 22, 2026 5:52 pm
I seem to be having some difficulty in uploading pictures.

A quarter of malted barley was said to be 336 lbs, Flaked Maize will have been 256 lbs. A quarter of Cane Sugar will have been 2 cwt or 224 lbs and have been of the solid type.

Hydrol was the major byproduct when making sugar from corn or beet, not that from cane sugar.
Is that just the water from the process?

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