20 litre Franke Kegs (traditional)

[barneey]

Just wondered what the interest would be in a 20 litre traditional keg (corny size)?, they would work out cheaper than brand new corny kegs.

[mozza]

How much are we talking?

[orlando]

Brew length is still the issue for me. But if cheaper than a brand new cornie and the 23 l chinese jobbies would be interested but not if it meant having a different dispense system to the trad cornie.

[barneey]

How much are we talking?

Still working on a few figures but initially they would seem to be on the same par pricewise as the Crusader Kegs, what ever route was taken you are talking of a group buy as quants for the Franke type would mean buying in bulk.

I just wondered if there was a market for them, if there was it might be something to suggest to Crusader as a large bulk order from Jims or the possibility of another supplier, its the number of units needed that's the sticking point at 100+ for the other supplier. I think also there is a minimum order for the Crusader ones.

[drunkpapaj]

I'd defiantly be interested for the right price. As great as Corny's are, they are a pain with all the seals etc... These would be so much easier to maintain..

[mozza]

I'm not much of a keg buff but what parts would you need to go with the keg. I guess you'd need a pub type co2 supply with a regulator ect?

Cheers,

Sam

[drunkpapaj]

Correct mozza. Only difference in these kegs to Cornys is that the keg coupler is a single unit, whereas cornys have individual disconnects for gas and product.

[Cazamodo]

What type of coupler do these use?

[barneey]

You could specify any of the normal traditional couplers but for ease I would suggest the "S" type of coupler.

There are some good picture's http://www.draughtbeeronline.com/_uk/ke ... ctors.html and http://www.micromatic.com/draft-keg-bee ... id-20.html

[Belter]

Tempted

[Cazamodo]

Ah so the same kind youd use for a sanke keg?

Id be interested. Ive been looking at getting larger sanke kegs, But I still can only brew 25L at a time so these would be good... It would be good to have universal couplers for everything.

Plus as much as I love cornies, and have never had any sealing problems so far! But I just think a normal traditional keg would be easier.

[darkonnis]

So essentially a corny, without a corny lid/fittings? About the same sort of size etc? Around the £60 mark?....

Might not be a bad idea and I think there is real sense in standardising with industry as it opens lots of doors to more modern bits of kit aswell as the use of normal kegs in normal sizes without compatibility issues.

In summary: Tempting, have to order 100 though?

Just going to throw these out there:
Is it worth having an ask about some microbreweries (especially up and coming ones yet to buy containers) and seeing if we can maybe get a group buy,
do franke do different sizes?
Could we not get in touch with Franke and just say "next time you do a run, add X amount to the end as we can't meet your minimum order quantity" They could always say no but its easy money for them...

[alix101]

I'm confused what's the difference between this and a 20l sanke. Is it that these are German ?

[barneey]

Basically traditional "beer Kegs" are 50ltr size as used in pubs throughout the land. These kegs are also available in other sizes namely 30 and 20ltrs, in simple terms a cut and shut has been done on a 50ltr same area looking down on them but just shorter in height.

The one`s pictured above are of 20 ltrs but of a very similar size of a corny keg (tall and skinny). The advantage of a tall and skinny keg of what ever type is that you can fit quite a few in a domestic fridge / freezer. The cut and shut kegs or the 50ltrs would fit BUT stackability is a problem + lots of wasted space.

Traditional keg types can have a varied range of "spear" fitted in them as the neck has a 2" 14tp thread, for ease and the cheap 2nd coupler market the "s" type spear IMHO should be adopted as a home brewers standard, but each to their own.

Unless someone can stump up the cash ££££ for a 100 or so kegs (other suppliers may have lower order numbers) it would have to be a group buy, this thread was really to see if it was a possibled option.

If there are any keg manufacturers reading this please chip in, I`m very surprised with the homebrew industry / hobby as it is no one has taken the bull "fully " by the horns and embraced the idea of supply.

Myself and a few others are still trying to find the cheapest source for a keg like this, but in the end it will come down to what the homebrewer wants / needs.

Cheers

C

[Belter]

Oh I thought they were a similar width as a Cornie looking at your pictures from a distance.

My problem is width not height. I may as well just go for a 50l. If they were thinner and could fit 2 in a fridge is be interested.

I take it you can't fit one on top of the other due to the fitting?