Hose pipe water

[mr.c]

Basically I’m using an outside tap with a hose pipe, which I fit on to a tap in my shed ,I use this to fill my HLT and any other water I require for brewing, I also use this tap when cooling and running a hose pipe back out to the drain.



But I would like to use some of this water when cooling to clean out my Fermenting Buckets ready for “star san” I don’t know how clean the hose pipe is inside but I’m think of running some VWP Steriliser through whole system… and each time before use running water through whole system for 5 min to get any stagnant water….. Do any of you use the water from cooling down for anything as it’s annoying to see it going to waste…?



i am think of adding a splitter to the "out point" of the immersion cooler so i can collect hot water when needed.....

[mr.c]

splitter to the "out point" of the immersion cooler so i can collect hot water when needed




VWP Steriliser through whole system like this

[Kev888]

Hiya,

I do tend to save the IC water for cleaning and rinsing the boiler afterwards - though nothing very elegant; I just collect it in tubs pre-positioned higher than the boiler so your diagram is much more sphisticated. I also save a bit for stuff like wahing the car and so on if I have any spare bins. But I usually clean everything except the boiler during the boil so there isn't much else to clean post-IC aside from the boiler.

I'm only just moving to a hose pipe supply for stuff that goes into the brew; previously I just used it for the IC and cleaning down. So I intend to pump a sanitising solution through it before use - happily I have a pump so this will be possible. Initially I'm going to try a bleach solution as that is my usual cleaner/sanitiser and I'm not expecting the type of deposits that would need percarbonate (my heavy duty cleaner of choice). But I may also run a no-rinse starsan solution through it after use if I find that leaving it with plain rinse water in between brews causes any problems.

Cheers,
kev

[mr.c]

Thanks for the reply keV

All the hose pipe I am using is new and am going to run some VWP Steriliser through whole system  each time before use and after with some clean water, and whole system runs very well with out the need of a pump,working just from outside taps pressure , in theory the whole system should be as clean as using  the tap from inside the house ? I would think! 

I would like to be able to safe the water for the next brew BUT I don't know if that would be going to far, but I will be using it to clean my FB befor starsan.

Thanks mr.c

[boingy]

The risk with a standard garden hose pipe is more that it is not food grade and could leach nasty chemicals into your beer (and then into your body). A new hose pipe is the last thing you want to use because it will be especially bad on the chemical front.

The steriliser will kill off any germs, as will any subsequent boiling, but neither of these will necessarily remove any chemicals. The real problem is we have no way of knowing how great the risks are.

[mr.c]

The steriliser will kill off any germs, as will any subsequent boiling, but neither of these will necessarily remove any chemicals. The real problem is we have no way of knowing how great the risks are.

I can't be the only one using a "hose pipe" for water? i say new (start of this year)i have always use "hose pipe" for water and i think am ok and beer is good

look in to using Food Grade Hose i only need 30mtr

thanks mr.c

[Kev888]

You've probably already seen it but as i'm thinking of getting a hose I posted a question about cleaning them here a little while ago. During that discussion awalker pointed out that there are drinking water approved hoses available and linked to one, so that may be of interst to you.

I was tempted to use a normal hose, as I suspect the risks are low and I'm not one to flee at the mere mention of the word 'chemical'. But as Boingy said its difficult to assess objectively so having spent enormous time and money on ensuring the rest of my equipment is of food quality I've personally decided not to then skimp at the last turn, and so will go for a drinking water grade hose as well. Or (given the aggro I have with mail order deliveries) perhaps go for some plastic WRAS approved plumbing pipe which is available locally and make a large diameter reel for it.

Cheers,
Kev

[mr.c]

objectively so having spent enormous time and money on ensuring the rest of my equipment is of food quality I've personally decided not to then skimp at the last turn, and so will go for a drinking water grade hose as well. Or (given the aggro I have with mail order deliveries) perhaps go for some plastic WRAS approved plumbing pipe which is available locally and make a large diameter reel for it.

Cheers,
Kev

Thanks for the link Kev,

Will be ordering 30mtr of "Econovend Super Hose 1/2" Diameter Hose WRAS and not bad for £1.25 a mtr
just add it to my system and jobs a good`un

[boingy]

I suspect as long as you discard any water that has been sitting in the hose and rinse it through before use then the amount of chemicals that will get into the water will be tiny, simply because the water you use will hardly have any contact time with the pipe. But it's just that thing of not knowing exactly what the consequences are and a decade or two from now it would be embarrassing to be struck down with some rare and weird illness caused by the cumulative effect of a hosepipe.

I'm planning to move brewing into the garage and, like Kev, I would also find it difficult to bury a pipe. I was wondering about using lengths of speedfit pipe joined with straight couplers to cover most of the distance. So a sort of temporary pipeline that can be dismantled into handy 3 metre sections for storage and, being straight, they will also be easy to drain and drip dry. I have not decided yet. The garage plans are only in the early stages so I have plenty of time to figure it out.

[awalker]

Do any of you use the water from cooling down for anything as it’s annoying to see it going to waste…?

My cooling water goes from water butt A through the chiller and then into water butt B
It either gets used for watering the garden or used for cooling on the next brew day (both after a cool down of course)
(It is amazing how a water butt can hold very hot water no problems, that might give people ideas, oops!)

This time of year it normally goes down the drain, as all the water butts are always full.
Useful to save in summer though.

[lancsSteve]

I can't be the only one using a "hose pipe" for water? ...i have always use "hose pipe" for water and i think am ok

I think it explains A LOT

a decade or two from now it would be embarrassing to be struck down with some rare and weird illness caused by the cumulative effect of a hosepipe.

What like 'gammy water on the knee' for example?

You can get food-grade tubing that's good with boiling wort as well - would allow recirculating over the chiller al jamil whirl-o-matic design:

http://www.coleparmer.co.uk/catalog/pro ... 71020&pfx=

And tiny food-grade pumps that will work with HOT liquid too:

http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/12-Volt-Hot-Water ... 564wt_1139

[mr.c]

lol lancsSteve all sorted now , have nearly finished my water setup and have pump as well no more flooding the bathroom or shed for me

[lancsSteve]

have pump as well no more flooding shed

SLOWLY - I'll now flood it quick and pump wort everywhere too! ? !?!?!?

[mr.c]

have pump as well no more flooding shed

SLOWLY - I'll now flood it quick and pump wort everywhere too! ? !?!?!?

hmm yeah could be,going to try to set up a herms AKA THE DEEP FAT FRYER over the weekend ..........