Adding water after fermentation

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ade1865

Adding water after fermentation

Post by ade1865 » Fri Mar 27, 2009 7:49 am

Yesterday I brewed my first beer of the 09 season. Being a bit rusty and distracted [never ever EVER brew when yer looking after the kids as well], I was 4L short on brewing liquor. Rather than adding more water at the batch sparge stage, which I should have done, I left it, and instead of an OG or 1040, I have one of 1058 :lol:

So, my question: can I add boiled water to the brew when I rack to keg? To bring it down more in line wioth where it should be? While I don't mind a strong beer, I need a quick maturer cos I'm running out of beer, plus I'm afraid the hop profile will be messed around with.

The recipe was Wheeler's No Nonsense

4k MO
22og crystal
130g demerara
85g fuggles @ 90
20g fuggles @ 15

90min mash @67. 90 min boil

Northern Brewer

Re: Adding water after fermentation

Post by Northern Brewer » Fri Mar 27, 2009 10:30 am

Have you calibrated your fermenter? I would have expected to get 23 litres at around 1045 with that recipe. I question whether you are more than 4 litres short.

Add cooled boiled water to bring your gravity down and build up volume.

Original gravity x volume divided by new volume = new gravity

e.g. 58 x 18l = 1044 divided by 23l = 45.39 (hence 1045.39)

If your losses were due to evaporation then you will probably get away with the hop profile.

ade1865

Re: Adding water after fermentation

Post by ade1865 » Fri Mar 27, 2009 11:02 am

Fermenter is not calibrated no, I've just gone with the figure of how short I was with the batch sparge. 2nd sparge should have been 16.4 but was only 12.5. this was due to me not taking into account how much initial liquor I needed. Thought I was ok with about 40L, but think i need more of a leeway. 1 problem I have is knowing which measuring devices to trust. Seems to me everything is out to some degree. I think I used a Pyrex jug to calibrate my 5L jug [which is only 4.5L] and then used that to calibrate my boiler, but its been a while I may need t do it again.

I was surprised with the difference in OG and my OG, so may need to calibrate my scales, my hydrometer and everything else!

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Re: Adding water after fermentation

Post by edit1now » Sat Mar 28, 2009 9:29 am

If you want to check the markings on your Pyrex jug then put it on the digital scales, zero the display, and add water until the scales read exactly 1 kg. That is very close to a litre - close enough for homebrewing :wink:

I think it's out in the third or fourth decimal place at 20 deg C.

ade1865

Re: Adding water after fermentation

Post by ade1865 » Mon Apr 06, 2009 4:57 pm

Cheers for the info guys. Haven't checked everything out, gonna do that tomorrow, when peace reigns and i have the house to myself \o/. Anyway, for now, I believe I am about 8L light on wort. OG was 1058, FG appears to be 1018. This, to me seems high, but I was expecting something along these lines, due to the higher than intended concentration of the wort. Am I right? Or should the Windsor yeast have got it to a lower FG? Only checked it today, may give it a stir to see if it kicks in again, some unused yeast on the top of the wort, as I only sprinkle it on the frothy post racking head. I know, should rehydrate yadda yadda, but it was a bad day. Anyway, if this is my F.G., any idea what it will come down to if I add 8L of water? is it the same calculation as NB provides above? So that would be: 18 [from 1018] x 15L = 270 divided by 23 = 11.7, so new FG of 1.0117. Which woudl not be too bad i think.

Or am i totally barking? lol

boingy

Re: Adding water after fermentation

Post by boingy » Mon Apr 06, 2009 5:08 pm

If you are going to dilute then do it sooner rather than later. Diluting a day or two into fermentation is better than waiting until racking.

ade1865

Re: Adding water after fermentation

Post by ade1865 » Mon Apr 06, 2009 6:08 pm

well looks like i may have nearly missed the boat. i'll do it tomorrow, but the brew is just about done i think. what may be the adverse affects?

Northern Brewer

Re: Adding water after fermentation

Post by Northern Brewer » Tue Apr 07, 2009 6:58 am

ade1865 wrote:well looks like i may have nearly missed the boat. i'll do it tomorrow, but the brew is just about done i think. what may be the adverse affects?
I have never diluted so late, so I cannot comment upon what may or may not happen. Bear in mind though, that India Pale Ale was diluted before consumption by the overseas troops.

Personally, I'd be reluctant to bung in 8 litres at this stage, because it will probably continue to attenuate further. Instead, I would look at things back to front, as if it hadn't yet fermented. OK, you achieved 15 litres 1058. Let's imagine that you'd hoped for 1045...

58 x 15 = 870 divided by 45 = 19.33 litres.

On this basis you would add 4.33 litres. Your current gravity is 1018 so...

18 x 15 = 270 divided by 19.33 = 13.96, so your new (final) gravity would be 1013.96, or 1014, which could drop a little further.

If you do choose to dilute, use cooled boiled water rather than straight out of the tap.

Make a point of calibrating your fermenter when it eventually becomes empty. I have 4 of the Youngs type with the 4" burgundy lids and handles, and the factory calibrations are way out. 23 litres is 1/2" beneath the protruding ridge at the top of the fermenter; hence some distance above the indicated 25 litres

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