1st Kit

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Veeagra

1st Kit

Post by Veeagra » Fri Jan 05, 2007 9:42 pm

I've just broached my first brew, a Brupaks Birkby Bitter. I kept my hands of it for the full 4 weeks since it's been in the bottle.
The colour is fantastic and completely clear, it's carbonated well, perhaps a little fizzy and it's keeping a bit of head down to the bottom of the pint (or steiner should I say, very handy for pet bottles).
The taste however is not great, it's not unpleasant just a bit yeasty, not unlike a weissbier taste. There is a nice hop taste there. Basically there's no getting round the fact that this tastes like novice homebrew!
Any ideas what I might have done wrong?
Cheers,
V.

Veeagra

Post by Veeagra » Mon Jan 08, 2007 8:51 pm

Oh well, I'll take that as don't know then. Trial and error I suppose. I'm going to crack open my second brew on Friday, a Cooper's real ale so hopefully that'll be alright.
I'm going to forget the first batch and try it again in a month or so see if it's improved.

tubby_shaw

Post by tubby_shaw » Mon Jan 08, 2007 9:07 pm

Sorry mate :oops:
It's difficult to know what went wrong without knowing exactly how you prepared your kit :?
Some common problems with the "yeasty" taste stem from either bottling too quickly after initial fermentation has finished and not letting the majority of the yeast settle out, or carrying a lot of yeast over into the bottles from the bottom of the fermenter.
Other than that I can't say :(
Could you post a bit more info?

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Post by Garth » Mon Jan 08, 2007 9:09 pm

don't give up with the kits Veeagra , I would have thought you have had more success with a Brupaks, but then again not all mine turned out brilliant.

I did kits a good few years ago when they were absolute pants, so when I started doing these 3kg all malt kits when I returned to the hobby I was pleasantly surprised. But imo the only way of getting top notch results and anything like real beer in pubs and bottles is to go all grain, turn to the dark side and you'll probably never look back.
good luck wit the second kit mate

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Post by Garth » Mon Jan 08, 2007 9:12 pm

damn you fast typer tubby,

but yeah I'd agree with you there, being a bottle freak (never kegged a brew yet) I have found if you don't leave it long enough for a lot of yeast to settle out in the bin, it's always going to be there in the bottle, I leave mine for up to three weeks on the primary, takes longer to come into condition and pressurise but it tastes smooth and clean at the end of it.

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Post by discodave » Mon Jan 08, 2007 9:26 pm

From my amateur days, I can say a few things about a yeasty taste:

1. Ferment your brew in a room no warmer than 21 degrees or thereabouts, if it is cold, then invest in a THERMOSTATICALLY CONTROLLED heater. brewbelt is OK but can take a few good brews to master.

If the temp is too warm then the yeast taste becomes overpowering.

2. Like everyone says here, leave your brew in its fermenter for 10-14 days, even if it has finished. All the crap and bad taste will fall out hopefully.

Siphon carefully, avoiding splashing. You can use finings if you like, but i'd advise these, only after you've mastered the basics like brewing without a yeast taste.

I've made loads of crap brews in the past, only my last 50% were good or better. The Coopers brews are all good, the yeast is fast and doesn't need a high temp so take it easy. They ferment in 4 or 5 days, but leave for 10 - 15 to allow the crap to fall.

Some suggest removing the frothy head at 36-48 hours. This can work, but don't bother unless you've got a basic grasp of brewing first.

I'm swigging a Coopers malt with 1.2kg spraymalt (light) and enjoying every last sip.

Feel free to ask for anything, that's why we're here!!

Dave.

3. Whether you barrell or bottle, keep the temp near to 21 degrees and hold it here for about 5 days (longer for a Brewferm or strong beer).

Veeagra

Post by Veeagra » Tue Jan 09, 2007 4:01 pm

Great advice, thanks!
It is my intention to eventually go on to grain brewing but I'm just taking it a step at a time.
I've just bottled a third batch, Cooper's dark ale, I used half the amount of water and no added sugar. I've got a good feeling about that one anyway!
I think it's time to start number 4, all I can get locally is Coopers so I think the next one is going to have to be their Draught. Anyone tried it?
Thanks
V.

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Post by discodave » Tue Jan 09, 2007 5:10 pm

Keep me informed on the Cooper's Dark Ale, I haven't tried that one yet.

As a manufacturer, they come recommended by many...just remember never to use sugar. Use spraymalt if necessary instead.

If you like lagers, their versions are good, but bottle these or it may just be too flat from the keg.

Dave.

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Post by Veeagra » Fri Jan 12, 2007 10:21 pm

Well, I couldn't keep my hands off the old Birkby bitter so I cracked open a bottle. I'd say there's a definite improvement after one week, and this is from a slightly cloudy bottle.
I don't know why it's gone cloudy, I did bring it home from work, where I brew, about 4 days ago and stuck it on the balcony. It may have hit 0 deg. C over the last few nights, would this have buggered it up?
I also had a taste of my second kit, a Coopers real ale made with 1kg of beet sugar which was pretty good after only 3 weeks in the bottle. This was also a little cloudy although all it's sister bottles still at work in a crate are crystal clear.
Can't wait to try the Coopers dark in a few weeks!
V.

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Post by Garth » Sat Jan 13, 2007 10:53 am

V, what you are getting there with the cloudy bottles is chill haze, that's where they are crystal or nearly clear at room temperature, but as soon as you drop the temperature, say put them in a fridge or leave them somewhere cold like your balcony, they cloud over, I don't think it affects the taste, it's just cosmetic.

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