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Hop tea...

Post by alix101 » Tue Nov 01, 2011 10:56 pm

Does anyone use to good effect hop tea instead of dry hops im sick of cleaning them out of my carboy so im thinking this might be a good alternative..
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Re: Hop tea...

Post by greenxpaddy » Tue Jan 10, 2012 11:10 pm

What temp would you steep your hops to get your hop tea?

My concern would be you want to develop alpha acids sometimes and keep oils another.... Maybe you would be better to use hop oils late. How you would simulate an early addition with hop tea I don't quite know. I couldn't be bothered to boil up hops separately for an hour...

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Re: Hop tea...

Post by jimp2003 » Tue Jan 10, 2012 11:26 pm

You could try using one of the hop aroma oils that are available like these: HOP AROMA OILS.

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Re: Hop tea...

Post by Capn Ahab » Wed Jan 11, 2012 12:07 am

jimp2003 wrote:You could try using one of the hop aroma oils that are available like these: HOP AROMA OILS.
Nooooooo!!

Do not bother. The styrian oil I used in two brews (in both cases I had a control batch and a test batch) gave no hop aroma at all and only served to annihilate the head. Someone has since suggested to me that they are (unwittingly?) being mis-sold as they are actually meant to isomerise in the boil.

It also left an oily film on the surface of the beer, so easy to conclude that the aroma doesn't integrate with the beer. They may make good substitutes for boiling hops but more info is needed.

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Re: Hop tea...

Post by alikocho » Wed Jan 11, 2012 5:20 am

Capn Ahab wrote:
jimp2003 wrote:You could try using one of the hop aroma oils that are available like these: HOP AROMA OILS.
Nooooooo!!

Do not bother. The styrian oil I used in two brews (in both cases I had a control batch and a test batch) gave no hop aroma at all and only served to annihilate the head. Someone has since suggested to me that they are (unwittingly?) being mis-sold as they are actually meant to isomerise in the boil.

It also left an oily film on the surface of the beer, so easy to conclude that the aroma doesn't integrate with the beer. They may make good substitutes for boiling hops but more info is needed.
As I understand it, the hop extracts should be substitutes in the boil in order to be miscible.

If you really have a problem cleaning them out of a carboy, what about the solution of putting them in a muslin bag?

danbrew

Re: Hop tea...

Post by danbrew » Wed Jan 11, 2012 10:13 am

Or just buy a plastic FV which will be loads easier to clean out and save the carboys for wine...

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Re: Hop tea...

Post by borischarlton » Wed Jan 11, 2012 10:39 am

I think some clarification is needed here about the hop aroma oils.

They are nothing to do with bittering and they are not to be used in the boil at all. They are PURELY to be used exactly as you would dry hops to add aroma to the beer and used corectly they do a brilliant job. The suggested dose is is just 1ml per 10l of beer,and to leave it to infuse for 24 hours. I have used massively more than that dose many times and have never had any problems with it effecting foam, infact I would even argue that it improves it.

Rob

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Re: Hop tea...

Post by Capn Ahab » Wed Jan 11, 2012 1:45 pm

borischarlton wrote:I think some clarification is needed here about the hop aroma oils.

They are nothing to do with bittering and they are not to be used in the boil at all. They are PURELY to be used exactly as you would dry hops to add aroma to the beer and used corectly they do a brilliant job. The suggested dose is is just 1ml per 10l of beer,and to leave it to infuse for 24 hours. I have used massively more than that dose many times and have never had any problems with it effecting foam, infact I would even argue that it improves it.

Rob
Hmmmm, as I said above, it had an undesirable effect on the two beers I used it in (head killage) and gave no discernible extra hop aroma (used at recommended dosage). Also, why the film on the surface, which you don't get when dry-hopping? Tbh Rob, I am very sceptical about these oils now, and won't risk using one in a beer until I have info from the manufacturer. Perhaps you can post up a link or sunnink?

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Re: Hop tea...

Post by Capn Ahab » Wed Jan 11, 2012 1:50 pm

alikocho wrote: As I understand it, the hop extracts should be substitutes in the boil in order to be miscible.

If you really have a problem cleaning them out of a carboy, what about the solution of putting them in a muslin bag?
WTF is miscible BTW?

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Re: Hop tea...

Post by alikocho » Wed Jan 11, 2012 1:53 pm

Capn Ahab wrote:
alikocho wrote: As I understand it, the hop extracts should be substitutes in the boil in order to be miscible.

If you really have a problem cleaning them out of a carboy, what about the solution of putting them in a muslin bag?
WTF is miscible BTW?
The ability of liquids to mix.

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Re: Hop tea...

Post by danwells » Wed Jan 11, 2012 2:48 pm

What quantity of saaz hops would you guys recommend to dry hop a coopers European lager kit with? And how long for?

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