Help with my AG#1 - Timothy Tailor Landord hops

[Andy_C]

Hi All

So here I am with AG#1 in the FV with the gravity down to 1014 had a sneaky taste and am happy (actually tastes like real beer with no ‘homebrew’ taint) but I can’t help thinking it is lacking in the hops dept ……

I followed the Timothy Tailor Landlord recipe from Graham Wheelers book and adapted for BIAB. At the end of my boil my OG was spot on and I thought all was good and this AG BIAB was a doddle. I added my Styrian Goldings 16 grams hops at the last 10 mins then I emptied my wort straight from the boiler into a No Chill container as soon as I stopped the boil. In doing this have I lost some bitterness and/or Aroma

So I now thinking I need to get some additional hops into this brew soon to save the day.

I have a AG#2 (Exmoor Gold ) sitting in a No Chill container waiting for the brew fridge to become vacant. I’m thinking of boiling up a couple of litres of this with some more hops (say another 8 grams of Styrian Goldings) and adding into the FV before the primary fermentation is over.

What do you reckon is this the way forward or perhaps another way ?

Thanks in advance

Andy

[orlando]

Dry hop Andy. At 1.014 it may have a little to go but if this has been a stable reading for a few days then rack off onto some more hops and then seal up in an FV with airlock being as careful as you can with introducing air. Alternatively, as there is some if little risk, you might just chalk it up to experience and go straight to packaging, your call.

[Andy_C]

Hi Orlando
Yeah hops into my secondary i was considering that also along with dry hopping my king keg.
As for my hydrometer reading its the first one I've taken and gut feeling is that it's got a little more to go.
I guess dry hoping my seconary as you say is my safest bet.
Thanks
Andy

[orlando]

Hi Orlando
Yeah hops into my secondary i was considering that also along with dry hopping my king keg.
As for my hydrometer reading its the first one I've taken and gut feeling is that it's got a little more to go.
I guess dry hoping my seconary as you say is my safest bet.
Thanks
Andy

Agreed.

[Dr. Dextrin]

I did a TTL a while ago (about to do another, hence the interest) and the "Styrian Goldings" I used were Bobek. I added them at flame-out (because TT are known to use a lot of hops in a hop back and that seemed the closest I could manage) and they were overpowering. So obviously YMMV. The term "Styrian Goldings" seems hard to match up with anything specific these days, so maybe some of the other varieties sold as Styrian Goldings might work better (or perhaps even be too weak??). It would be good to know what TT themselves use.

Anyway, I did an A/B taste comparison with a bottle of TTL (the TT website explicitly says the bottled beer is the same as the draught version, so that seemed like it should be a good guide). In the real TTL, I taste a lot of late Goldings. So for my next attempt, the flame-out hops will be mostly (East Kent) Goldings with just a touch (maybe 15%) of Bobek. I'm also tasting some crystal malt, so there will be some of that in my next attempt too. It seems you might need to depart quite a bit from the GW recipe if you want the right taste.

So just a few slightly disorganised thoughts there that might perhaps be useful... or not.

[AdyG]

My first BIAB was a TTL, but I got an all grain kit from BrewUK which had 30g Goldings and 50g Styrian Goldings Hops in it. Probably a bit late now as you have it in the FV. The hops in those quantities tasted pretty similar to a pub bought pint so I think it was accurate. Mine also finished at 1014 which was a bit high for the Notts yeast I used and I had exploding bottle problems with it, I also had a bit of strange off taste with mine, but I'm putting it down it inexperience rather than ingredients.

I did the Courage Directors and Batemans XXXB out of Graham Wheeler's book and they both turned out really well and were very similar to shop bought bottles.

[dcq1974]

I always add 5% light crystal malt to my TTL clone.

[Andy_C]

Just added my hops into my primary and intend to leave a week before before I add to pressure barrel. Should I leave my fridge set to 18c or do you think I should up it to 24c to help clear up or reduce the fg that final few points ?

What do the members think ?

And thanks again for all the help

Andy

[mozza]

I wouldn't add more hops to it. Mine was very bitter and hoppy. At 1.014 it will drop a bit more. At the moment the sweetness of the unfermented sugars are probably hiding the bitterness of the hops. I would taste once you are sure that it has fermented out hope this helps

[Andy_C]

I wouldn't add more hops to it. Mine was very bitter and hoppy. At 1.014 it will drop a bit more. At the moment the sweetness of the unfermented sugars are probably hiding the bitterness of the hops. I would taste once you are sure that it has fermented out hope this helps

hops are already in, too late. Dry hops shouldn't add too much to the bitterness should they ?

Thanks again

Andy

[mozza]

Not at this stage no will just add to the aroma which is what you want so I'm sure it will be fine