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Seymour's Badger Hopping Hare Clone - Results now in...

Post by Spook » Mon Nov 18, 2013 12:27 am

Good evening gentlemen.
I appreciate that this post should probably be tagged on the end of the old recipe thread citing this, but at the risk of it not being noted by the more erudite and experienced of you who have your own favourite brew recipes I'll break with protocol by considering this under the mantle 'result' of the current thread and also in the hope that others may well follow in my footsteps...
I've only been brewing AG for the past 6 months or so, but this, my 9th brew to date, is unequivocably the finest brew to issue forth out of my tun, boiler, vessel, airing cupboard, shed and then glass - in that order.
A nice, tasty, well balanced and quaffable brew of the first order.
I'll take a bit of satisfaction from the fact that the advice - personal and gleaned - from this forum has helped me immensely in starting to hone the craft, but hats off and glass up to Seymour.
Cheers! =D> =D> =D>
(How do I upload photos?)

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Re: Seymour's Badger Hopping Hare Clone - Results now in...

Post by seymour » Mon Nov 18, 2013 4:03 am

Glad to hear it turned out so nicely, Spook, and welcome to Jim's!

Yeah, photos are always encouraged. To post them, you can't upload them directly to this forum. First, you must setup a personal photo website (many are free, I use flickr.com), then upload your photos there, then copy the image links and paste them into your Jim's Beer Kit thread. Lastly, highlight the link and click the "IMG" button above your "EDIT POST" text field before you hit "Submit". It's a little roundabout, but you'll get the hang of it right away, I'm sure.

Cheers!

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Post by DaveGillespie » Mon Nov 18, 2013 2:01 pm

Care to share the recipe at all? My currently drinking first AG was a Hopping Hare clone attempt but it came out severely over bittered.

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Post by Matt » Mon Nov 18, 2013 3:22 pm

Seymour, do you happen to have anything on record for Badger Fursty Ferret?

A deeply unfashionable drink amongst brewers, but I like the fruity maltiness!

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Post by ArmChair » Mon Nov 18, 2013 6:24 pm

after a quick search, I found this:

3.50 kg Pale Malt, Maris Otter (5.9 EBC) Grain 85.37 %
0.30 kg Caramalt (Joe White) (49.3 EBC) Grain 7.32 %
0.30 kg Wheat Malt, Pale (Weyermann) (3.9 EBC) Grain 7.32 %
12.00 gm Target [11.00 %] (60 min) Hops 16.5 IBU
20.00 gm Goldings, East Kent [4.50 %] (20 min) Hops 6.8 IBU
25.00 gm Styrian Goldings [4.70 %] (20 min) (AromaHops -
0.50 items Whirlfloc Tablet (Boil 15.0 min) Misc
1 Pkgs British Ale (Wyeast Labs #1098) [Starter 2Yeast-Ale

Not sure if its the same, but Seymour will be along soon :D
FV1 AG#95 Farwell Freddy
FV2
FV3
FV4
Litres Brewed in :
2013 - 655
2014 - 719
2015 - 726
2016 - 74
Started BIAB 11/02/2013

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Re: Seymour's Badger Hopping Hare Clone - Results now in...

Post by ArmChair » Mon Nov 18, 2013 6:24 pm

after a quick search, I found this:

3.50 kg Pale Malt, Maris Otter (5.9 EBC) Grain 85.37 %
0.30 kg Caramalt (Joe White) (49.3 EBC) Grain 7.32 %
0.30 kg Wheat Malt, Pale (Weyermann) (3.9 EBC) Grain 7.32 %
12.00 gm Target [11.00 %] (60 min) Hops 16.5 IBU
20.00 gm Goldings, East Kent [4.50 %] (20 min) Hops 6.8 IBU
25.00 gm Styrian Goldings [4.70 %] (20 min) (AromaHops -
0.50 items Whirlfloc Tablet (Boil 15.0 min) Misc
1 Pkgs British Ale (Wyeast Labs #1098) [Starter 2Yeast-Ale

Not sure if its the same, but Seymour will be along soon :D
FV1 AG#95 Farwell Freddy
FV2
FV3
FV4
Litres Brewed in :
2013 - 655
2014 - 719
2015 - 726
2016 - 74
Started BIAB 11/02/2013

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Post by Matt » Mon Nov 18, 2013 8:15 pm

ArmChair wrote:after a quick search, I found this:

3.50 kg Pale Malt, Maris Otter (5.9 EBC) Grain 85.37 %
0.30 kg Caramalt (Joe White) (49.3 EBC) Grain 7.32 %
0.30 kg Wheat Malt, Pale (Weyermann) (3.9 EBC) Grain 7.32 %
12.00 gm Target [11.00 %] (60 min) Hops 16.5 IBU
20.00 gm Goldings, East Kent [4.50 %] (20 min) Hops 6.8 IBU
25.00 gm Styrian Goldings [4.70 %] (20 min) (AromaHops -
0.50 items Whirlfloc Tablet (Boil 15.0 min) Misc
1 Pkgs British Ale (Wyeast Labs #1098) [Starter 2Yeast-Ale

Not sure if its the same, but Seymour will be along soon :D
Nice one Armchair, good stuff :beer: I wonder if Seymour has anything to compare in his recipe vaults

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Post by Spook » Mon Nov 18, 2013 9:32 pm

Recipe for Hopping Hare from this forum -

viewtopic.php?f=5&t=45006

(I used just pale malt and amber malt in mine).

And here's one for Fursty Ferret -

viewtopic.php?f=24&t=57186&hilit=fursty+ferret

not tried it yet, but being a big fan of the Badger Ales it is most definately pending....

:lol:

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Post by Matt » Mon Nov 18, 2013 9:58 pm

Interesting - same recipes. Aussie in origin I would wager.

Will definitely add that to my brew schedule, cheers.

But - ibu looks high to me. What does anyone else think?

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Post by seymour » Mon Nov 18, 2013 11:19 pm

ArmChair wrote:after a quick search, I found this:

3.50 kg Pale Malt, Maris Otter (5.9 EBC) Grain 85.37 %
0.30 kg Caramalt (Joe White) (49.3 EBC) Grain 7.32 %
0.30 kg Wheat Malt, Pale (Weyermann) (3.9 EBC) Grain 7.32 %
12.00 gm Target [11.00 %] (60 min) Hops 16.5 IBU
20.00 gm Goldings, East Kent [4.50 %] (20 min) Hops 6.8 IBU
25.00 gm Styrian Goldings [4.70 %] (20 min) (AromaHops -
0.50 items Whirlfloc Tablet (Boil 15.0 min) Misc
1 Pkgs British Ale (Wyeast Labs #1098) [Starter 2Yeast-Ale

Not sure if its the same, but Seymour will be along soon :D
Ha, I guess I am that predictable. Yeah, here I am, and ArmChair you're pretty close. Who needs me?

Fursty Ferret was originally a Gribble Inn recipe, handed down to Rob, the current brewer by his father before him. I asked him for any pointers...understandably he politely declined to share his family secrets. However, Toby, the Head Brewer of Hall & Woodhouse was extremely helpful. He told me the following:

Badger Fursty Ferret
ABV: 4.4%
Grainbill: 96.5% Pale, 3% Crystal Malt, 0.5% Chocolate Malt
Bittering Hops: Goldings and Fuggles
Late Hops: mostly Goldings plus a little Styrian Goldings and/or Cascade
IBU: 30
Colour: golden amber, 25–30 EBC
Yeast: proprietary Hall & Woodhouse English ale strain, benchmarked and in continuous use since 1934, not available commercially but he said homebrewers can get pretty close using Nottingham.

I've read some bad reviews of cask-conditioned Fursty Ferret, mostly describing diacetyl/butterscotch/vanilla faults. It seems to me that was a very short-lived problem which has since been remedied, and it's not even clear if those batch(es) were brewed by Badger or Gribble Inn? In any case, most people describe the bottled version as somewhat commonplace, but a nice, crisp, well-balanced bittersweet English golden ale, slightly citrusy, with a dry, faintly hoppy finish. Sadly, I have not personally tasted it, but it sounds pretty good to me.

Best of luck,
-Seymour

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Post by scuppeteer » Tue Nov 19, 2013 12:51 am

Carrying on the Badger theme, any ideas on a Poachers Choice recipe? Definitely my favourite of their brews.
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Post by seymour » Tue Nov 19, 2013 1:27 pm

scuppeteer wrote:Carrying on the Badger theme, any ideas on a Poachers Choice recipe? Definitely my favourite of their brews.
I don't know the grainbill percentages, but it must contain more chocolate malt to account for the hints of licorice, damsons, etc.

Badger Poachers Choice
Style: English Strong Ale
ABV: 5.7%
Grainbill: Pale, Crystal Malt, Chocolate Malt
Bittering hops: Admiral
Late hops: First Gold
IBU: 24-27
Colour: copper
Yeast: proprietary Hall & Woodhouse English ale strain, benchmarked and in continuous use since 1934, not available commercially but he said homebrewers can get pretty close using Nottingham.

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Post by scuppeteer » Tue Nov 19, 2013 2:33 pm

seymour wrote:
scuppeteer wrote:Carrying on the Badger theme, any ideas on a Poachers Choice recipe? Definitely my favourite of their brews.
I don't know the grainbill percentages, but it must contain more chocolate malt to account for the hints of licorice, damsons, etc.

Badger Poachers Choice
Style: English Strong Ale
ABV: 5.7%
Grainbill: Pale, Crystal Malt, Chocolate Malt
Bittering hops: Admiral
Late hops: First Gold
IBU: 24-27
Colour: copper
Yeast: proprietary Hall & Woodhouse English ale strain, benchmarked and in continuous use since 1934, not available commercially but he said homebrewers can get pretty close using Nottingham.

Always rely on you Seymour. :D As for the damson flavours I believe they actually use them, but not sure on quantities.
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Post by Spook » Tue Nov 19, 2013 11:16 pm

Matt wrote:Interesting - same recipes. Aussie in origin I would wager.

Will definitely add that to my brew schedule, cheers.

But - ibu looks high to me. What does anyone else think?
I personally like the edge and complexity of the hop mix in the 'Hare clone.
You could try using Challenger instead of Target as the bittering hop in the Ferret perhaps - I once used it in a basic bitter as a substitute (didn't have any Target back then and didn't really have a clue if I'm honest!), but I do remember it being milder than I expected though still very tasty.
I'm no expert, but starting to learn a little more about the hops and their use it would seem to me that the Challenger is often used as either bitter or flavouring but has a lower IBU than Target so that may do the trick.
Anybody elaborate or advise - either to Matt's observation or on my own reasoning?
:?:

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Post by Matt » Wed Nov 20, 2013 1:54 pm

Spook, yes I like the softer bitterness of Challenger. You can have some fun making up several mugs of boiling water and steeping a pinch hops in each - its interesting to note that different hops hit different parts of your palate when you compare them side by side.

I had an interesting email from the Head Brewer at H&W today, so have started a new thread in recipes for Fursty Ferret.

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