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Post by barneey » Fri Feb 26, 2016 10:56 am

Are the BM's loosing some of their sparkle?

I recently had to send back a 50l stainless hood due to the non finish of the cut on the top part of the tube, burrs left on the piece.

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I also believe there have been several members, three that I know of, who have sent their control panels back due to misting up issues.

Is this really German engineering at its best?
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Re: BM Problems

Post by Wonkydonkey » Fri Feb 26, 2016 11:20 am

I bet it's the Chinese version of vorsprung durch technik, :lol:
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Post by Mr. Dripping » Fri Feb 26, 2016 12:27 pm

Speidel certainly are losing some of their sparkle in my opinion.
I am one of the people that has had to send my control panel back due to it misting up mid-brew.
I am not naive enough to think that things don't go wrong sometimes, but I am a big believer in that you can measure a company or person by how they react and put things right when things do go wrong.
In my case Speidel made a very basic mistake and their actions and response were poor. Particularly when I consider I've paid a hefty price for a premium product and expect aftercare to match this.
I sent my control panel back and asked if I could purchase a wifi unit and a spare seal (effectively I would get free postage with the return of the control panel).....no problem and I paid their invoice immediately on receipt.
Control panel was returned .......this took just short of 3 weeks which although was a pita I didn't think it was too bad tbh. There was no wifi unit or seal.
On contacting them I was told that I hadn't paid the invoice and therefore the goods were not sent. I provided a screen shot of the transaction and was not happy with their somewhat feeble explanation of 'the accounts people did not tell us you had paid'.
There was then a further days delay in posting goods as 'the parcel man only comes once per day at 11 o'clock'.
No appreciation that the wifi unit was for a birthday present and now would be late (no pressie for me on Sunday :( ) and no appreciation that I cannot brew (again) this weekend......and I have a competition beer to brew :o
I feel as though I've had to drag a half arsed apology out of them and have also been left feeling that they really couldn't be bothered to put any real effort in to addressing why I felt increasingly frustrated and angered at how I was being treated.
I just hope this unit doesn't mist up again or the balloon will really go up. I need to go a lie down for a bit now as I feel a bit like I've bought a top end BMW and am getting serviced by the local back street garage :D

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Re: BM Problems

Post by sbond10 » Fri Feb 26, 2016 12:54 pm

There's a guy on you tube who's tap went leaky and there element went rusty plus never achieved a true rolling boil.

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Re: BM Problems

Post by Hairybiker » Fri Feb 26, 2016 1:04 pm

Makes me glad I have a Grainfather this.
My only issues were resolved by them quickly, I had a split plastic shroud on delivery and the hose came off my chiller (once). They sent me a replacement shroud without even asking for a pic of the damage. Delivery was delayed as they were all at a demo show, but they did deliver it FOC.
The hose I fixed by reconnecting it, and it hasn't come off since.

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Re: BM Problems

Post by Doingatun » Fri Feb 26, 2016 2:15 pm

barneey wrote:Are the BM's loosing some of their sparkle?
It's looking like it, I've had multiple issues from day one and remain unhappy, every brew day I'm expecting the controller to mist up again or another issue to spoil my day, I was expecting faultless high end quality to justify the high cost, unfortunately I was wrong :(
barneey wrote:Is this really German engineering at its best?
Think those days have long gone, I've recently had quality issues with numerous German made goods, even had a new engine in my new VW after 5000 miles of complaining.
I hate buying anything or having work done these days.
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Re: BM Problems

Post by fego » Fri Feb 26, 2016 5:27 pm

My only complaint is that the controller plastic is a bit cheap and scratches easily.

Everything else about it is superb quality afaic.
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Post by mbarn » Sun Feb 28, 2016 9:28 pm

The controllers are a "buy in item" for Spiedel, so not really their fault. I have the condensation issue myself, so will see if the DIY fix works first.
The build quality of the rest of my 2015 model is outstanding.
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Re: BM Problems

Post by woblylegs » Sun Feb 28, 2016 9:34 pm

ive the older model but a late one and im very happy with it. build quality is spot on. ive put some cling film over the face of the controller. any splashes that hit it are no problem. i just change the cling film when needed.
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Re: BM Problems

Post by Rhodesy » Mon Feb 29, 2016 9:00 am

Agree with the above, I have a 2015 model and the only let down for me is the controller as I have condensation. Do I just need to open it up and let it dry out in warm place? Anything else required?

Other than that I love it, done 11 brews since buying in November. I would never have managed that with ny 3V setup.

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Re: BM Problems

Post by barneey » Mon Feb 29, 2016 9:21 am

My 2013 model I had, with the older style controller worked very well without fault so the only issue I had was with the hood not being finished properly, which was sorted.

I however fail to see why anyone spending £1000+ on a system (20/50l unit) or <£1000 (10l unit) should have a control panel that mists up & in a few cases I know of the manufacturer recommending a DIY home fix of opening the unit up to dry it out, is the end user expected to repeat this procedure everytime it occurs? If so they had better rewrite the user manual.
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Re: BM Problems

Post by Rhodesy » Mon Feb 29, 2016 1:02 pm

barneey wrote:My 2013 model I had, with the older style controller worked very well without fault so the only issue I had was with the hood not being finished properly, which was sorted.

I however fail to see why anyone spending £1000+ on a system (20/50l unit) or <£1000 (10l unit) should have a control panel that mists up & in a few cases I know of the manufacturer recommending a DIY home fix of opening the unit up to dry it out, is the end user expected to repeat this procedure everytime it occurs? If so they had better rewrite the user manual.
I agree that they should be offering first and foremost to have the control panel returned and replaced. I do fully appreciate though that it has failed from a quality control perspective.

Personally, if I can fix it DIY as a permanent fix then to me anyway its not too big a deal as I brew quite often and at short notice so wouldn't want to be weeks waiting on a replacement.

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Re: BM Problems

Post by rpt » Mon Feb 29, 2016 5:32 pm

mbarn wrote:The controllers are a "buy in item" for Spiedel, so not really their fault.
They still have to take responsibility for it though.

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Re: BM Problems

Post by mbarn » Tue Mar 01, 2016 10:18 pm

Not disputing that, and they have been taking them back.

I'd much prefer the DIY fix rather than mess around posting it off. It's also, to the best of my knowledge, a one off, not a regular thing. Once the condensation is removed, it's fixed.
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Re: BM Problems

Post by Mr. Dripping » Wed Mar 02, 2016 9:56 am

I brewed at the weekend and the panel misted up again.
I have asked our supplier how did they repair it and it seems to us that they only tightened the surface without letting the moisture going out of the unit.

We’ll replace you the control unit and send you a completely new one.
So I'm waiting for them to get in touch again to arrange collection.

As for the DIY solution, you must be joking surely after spending well over a grand??

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