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Post by bellebouche » Tue Feb 14, 2012 6:09 pm

Always playing catch up on my brewday posts. We've had snow on the ground for a fortnight and consistent overnight temps of -10,-12. Brewed on Sunday when the daytime temps maxed out at -5. That had lots of it's own challenges. More on that later. In the mean time, the recipe, rhyme and reason.

This one has been at the back of my mind for a while. My inspiration came from a visit to the Euston Tap about this time last year when I was doing a little work in that there London. I'd had a long day in the city and on arrival at the bar they had four kegs of the Brewdog 'IPA is Dead' series on. It would have been rude not to have 'em all. They were all excellent. Bramling cross stood out to me as the most unexpected beer and I thought the herbal note and blackcurrant leaf flavour were pretty stark. I was very impressed. So, it stuck in my mind and I thought something malty and spicy could be a good mix with that flavour profile. Took me a year to get around to it. So many beers, so little time!

I've proportionately dialled down the IBUs and ABV from the Brewdog beer. 50IBUs and 6.3% is about the same kind of ratio though but should be easier drinking. I went for all Vienna as my base malt, a low mash temp for fermentables, roast rye for spice and colour and dark crystal for body and colour

This means nothing to me (American IPA)

Original Gravity (OG): 1.064 (°P): 15.7
Final Gravity (FG): 1.016 (°P): 4.1
Alcohol (ABV): 6.29 %
Colour (EBC): 29.3
Bitterness (IBU): 49.1 (Tinseth)

85.7% Vienna from Soufflet - EBC 8
6.86% Wheat Malt - EBC 4
5.14% English Crystal - EBC 120
2.3% Rye - Dark roasted coffee flavour - EBC 400

1.5 g/L Pacific Gem (13.7% Alpha) @ 75 Minutes (Boil)
0.5 g/L Pacific Gem (13.7% Alpha) @ 10 Minutes (Boil)
1 g/L Bramling Cross (5.1% Alpha) @ 5 Minutes (Boil)
1 g/L Bramling Cross (5.1% Alpha) @ 0 Minutes (Aroma) - added after chilling to 85c
1 g/L Bramling Cross (5.1% Alpha) added to secondary after for 14 days dry hopping after primary.

Single step Infusion at 62°C for 60 Minutes. Boil for 75 Minutes. Added 6g of Gypsum.

Fermented at 19°C with the Bellefois strain.

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Vienna Rye PA by adrianfoden, on Flickr

Now, the yeast? Bit of an unknown quantity here as I'd harvested it from a commercial beer. On first capture I did a small test batch to prove the viability and test for off flavours etc. It was pretty amazing, lots of the original light grapefruit and tropical notes of the source wort came through so it's a clean fermenting strain. No idea about the attenuation but it came from a 5.6% beer so we'll see. Time will tell. I'll call it the 'Bellefois' strain after the source brewery.

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the bellefois strain by adrianfoden, on Flickr


Brewday mares. Outside tap frozen. All hosework frozen. Hard to hand cart my water about. Groundwater was exceptionally cold and had a fair amount of chlorine smell. I treated with sodium metabisulphate and left it overnight. That shifted it. Next up for me this spring. I'm going to buy a RO unit. I know loads of pro brewers use them and as the water I use is 95% of my beer then I'm going to improve that a *lot*.

My sturdy €4 Chinese made digital temp probe packed in when the cold and metal fatigue saw one of the battery terminals snap off. Managed to solder up a fly lead on the circuit board and effect a repair during the mash stage. Got it fixed in time to find my mash at 61.6 at the end of the sach rest. Happy with that. Had to recalibrate my refractometer. Stopped sparging when I had 28l for my my preboil volume even though I was drawing lots of good sweet wort at that stage. Some days the chickens benefit from the mash efficiency and not me. I was beyond cold at this point.

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Vienna Rye first runnings by adrianfoden, on Flickr

Nearly 9% non Barley and I got a slightly murky run off. It's to be expected but I'm normally much happier when my mash runs clearer than that. Didn't pump re-circ this as frankly - I was keen to minimise my time outdoors and was wary of a stuck sparge. I used my neighbours industrial grain smasher so had a lot of flour - bad combination for this grain bill.

A slower runoff towards the end and it cleared well with fly sparging...

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Vienna Rye clearing up a little by adrianfoden, on Flickr

Boil and hop additions went well. Uber satisfying oil slick in the kettle with lots of late additions. My Propane tank froze to the floor. Nice.

With no running water I used my wort pump to recycle my cooling water in a bin full of ice. I'd left an old grain bin out to soak labels off champagne bottles. The bottles survived the big freeze and gave me a big 35 Kg chunk of ice to chill my wort. This worked really well and I got a TON of cold break from this beer. Downside was no in-kettle whirlpool like I normally use so I'll have to think about that. I'd really like a second pump to circulate ice water through my IC at the same time as I'm running a whirlpool. That'll give me maximum aroma uptake and the quickest chilling. The next item on the agenda for my 2012 brew year.
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vienna rye IC feed from ice bin by adrianfoden, on Flickr

It's in the FV now, off and running. A big 18 hour lag after pitching, whopping Krausen All good signs. As a matter of routine I normally let all the spent hops (mountains of 'em!) and the cold break settle out after the xfer to the FV and keep back a litre or two for starters. This is showing a really good red hue from the crystal and the rye. I'll let it clear for a day and then take a shot of what that looks like. The brewmate EBC calculator is about right for density but the shade is looking beautiful. More pics as it progresses. Questions, observations comments atc... all gladly received!

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Post by Befuddler » Tue Feb 14, 2012 6:48 pm

OI! Did you nick the name from my signature?! :lol:

Lovely pics btw.
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Post by Spud395 » Tue Feb 14, 2012 7:47 pm

Love the name, I hadnt spotted yours Befuddler.

I'll need to get a 2nd pump as well I whirlpool for the last few brews and am well impressed with the process.
However in the summer I suffer from water shortages so a 2nd pump from a rainwater barrel will be called into action, now if I could work a big block of ice into that as well :)

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Post by bellebouche » Wed Feb 15, 2012 11:49 am

Ah, befuddler... Nope!

Spud. Give this a read http://www.mrmalty.com/chiller.php lots of good reasons why whirlpooling as you chill is a good idea and some pointers on the efficacy of using a pumped ice bath as your source of coolant.

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Post by Spud395 » Wed Feb 15, 2012 11:53 pm

Yeah BB thats the page that inspired me to build my whirlpool, I can only imagine how efficient it is with an ice bath

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Post by bellebouche » Thu Feb 16, 2012 8:43 pm

Here's a shot of the unfermented wort. It was super clear going into the FV.

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Rye PA before fermentation by adrianfoden, on Flickr

Notch that one up to using super-chilled ice bath water in the IC. A filthy quantity of cold break in the kettle as I'd already reported. I've got high hopes for the colour and clarity of the finished beer.

Another shot here.

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Rye PA before fermentation 2 by adrianfoden, on Flickr

Probably more representative of what I think I'll see in the glass when it's done. Some good red colouring been picked up there courtesy of some fab melanoidin development for using a longer 75 minute boil. The contrast between the mashtun runoff pics and these is quite stark. A good before and after.

As to the fermentation. Lots of laughs. I had a good healthy lag after pitching and then off it went. 12 hours into that and the krausen had rimmed my FV, blocked the bubbler I had on and blown the sealed lid.

Has now been spewing mount etna style via a blowoff tube into a Demijohn for a couple of days.

I have a crack team of assistant brewers performing round the clock surveillance.

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Two assistant brewers counting bubbles by adrianfoden, on Flickr

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Post by Spud395 » Thu Feb 16, 2012 10:26 pm

:) Looks to be in good hands

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Post by filet o fish » Fri Feb 17, 2012 10:53 am

great pics again.
i ve been reading about whirlpool chillers and watching a few vids on you tube. was planning on just doing it by elbow grease for this weekends brew.

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Post by fego » Fri Feb 17, 2012 7:28 pm

That's what I do... I just frantically stir inside the IC and then occasionally stir outside too changing directions randomly. I do it for the first 5 minutes and it's amazing to see how much quicker the temp drops than just leaving it to gradually cool.

How does the whirlpool cope with hops in the pump? Doesn't it get blocked?
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Post by monkeyboy » Fri Feb 17, 2012 7:57 pm

I've got to work out how your beer photos come out that well. Somehow mine are always darker than real life. Back-lighting i suppose. Looks like a tasty pint.
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Post by Spud395 » Fri Feb 17, 2012 8:41 pm

fego wrote:That's what I do... I just frantically stir inside the IC and then occasionally stir outside too changing directions randomly. I do it for the first 5 minutes and it's amazing to see how much quicker the temp drops than just leaving it to gradually cool.

How does the whirlpool cope with hops in the pump? Doesn't it get blocked?
Dont you have a hop stopper?

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Post by WishboneBrewery » Sat Feb 18, 2012 9:09 am

Looks a lovely colour, I should re-visit Bramling Cross.

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Post by bellebouche » Sat Feb 18, 2012 5:46 pm

monkeyboy wrote:I've got to work out how your beer photos come out that well. Somehow mine are always darker than real life. Back-lighting i suppose. Looks like a tasty pint.
Ahh, nothing special - photography is like brewing... a million and one ways to do it... and all of them work. I do back light when I can on a lighter beer to try and show the clarity, some beer really shines and it's good to capture that clarity and sparkle. Don't know what camera you've got but some tips...

Never use a flash, always shoot in ambient light. If you've got manual aperture control, open it up as much as possible. if you're exposure is consistently off then see if you got some form of exposure compensation then you can trim that up a couple of stops. I normally manually focus but on a very fast lens that can have a very shallow depth of field and lose the detail in the image a bit. If you've got some control over the metering mode you can meter off a darker bit of the image, lock it down and then recompose the shot and fire away.

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Post by bellebouche » Thu Mar 01, 2012 10:27 pm

Finished up my dry hopping in secondary where it's remained stable at 1014. I used 20g of Bramling Cross submerged in a little hop-tube with sterile glass beads.

I had some slight expectations of the attenuation capabilities of the mystery yeast but shouldn't be too surprised that it's gone a little further than my guesstimate of 1016. It came from a full bodied xmas beer so I mashed low for more fermentables... that's paid off well. My maths makes this 6.5% so that's fine.

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Rye PA after secondary - before bottling 2 by adrianfoden, on Flickr

Very pleased with the clarity of the beer, these shots were taken as my final samples as I transferred to the bottling bucket. One for the hydro reading and one glass for my brewers assistant and second checker.

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Rye PA after secondary - before bottling by adrianfoden, on Flickr


Flavour? A little body is apparent in the mouthfeel - that sweetness and malt body cutting through an obvious strident hop bittering. The finish is a little drier and then the aroma and flavour develops. The cassis notes of the Bramling Cross are very apparent. It's a familiar flavour... had it before in countless cask beers.. but this is different... so much more dominant. Nothing remarkable in the aroma yet - I think it needs some bottle conditioning and carbonation to lift that.

Primed now with 2.5g/l and will bottle after lunch tomorrow.

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Post by WishboneBrewery » Fri Mar 02, 2012 8:27 am

i don't always spot the berry-notes in Bramling cross, don't have the beer too cold. :)

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