Oatmeal Stout

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Oatmeal Stout

Post by edit1now » Thu Mar 06, 2008 3:50 pm

I thought I'd have a go at something based on Vossy's Oatmeal Stout.

Two new PID controllers to play with, and they both worked well in a water test on Sunday. I spent some of Tuesday making fitted jackets for the two Electrim boilers out of bubblewrap, and I removed the horrible simmerstats from the boilers and just put a nut on the end of each of the stainless screws left behind (there is a little rubber washer for waterproofing).

Wednesday morning (bright, freezing cold) I realised I needed another kettle lead, having removed the Electrim giblets. Stole the undo-able hot-condition IEC plug off the now unwanted simmerstat.

3kg pale malt
500g crystal malt
100g Melaninoid malt
100g roasted wheat malt
300g roasted rolled oats (= 263g after roasting for 45 mins at Gas Mark 5 - Vossy's recipe says 1 hour at Gas 5, but after three goes of 15 mins with stirring in between, I thought it was starting to smell a bit well-done round the edges).
before roasting:
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after roasting:
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The light has changed, so it's a bit difficult to see the colour change.

Tried to mash with electric pump recirculation: here is a new plastic garden hose manifold from Wilko's which I fondly imagined would direct the recirculating liquor around the mash tun, agitating the mash:
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and here is the setup:

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Distinctly NG owing to trying to mash with no grain bag, so pump and tubing and bottom of boiler clagged up with grains. I think the big pump may have sucked the grain past the false bottom, bending it in the process! Here is the pile of grain in the bottom after I'd taken out the false bottom:
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Sorted out clagging, put grain in grain bag, tried to mash without recirculation.
About an hour at 40 ̊C while messing about - supposed to be the beta-amylase rest so the malt can deal with the starchy oats - I’d meant half an hour, but...

The element started cutting out. Good news - the kettle elements I got from my local hardware shop - “These are the last of them from the warehouse you know” - cut out and in again once they’ve cooled down, rather than the original ones with the Electrim mash bin which die and are dead if they overheat. However I was round the back with the multimeter seeing if the element was conducting or not: the 2.2kW element reads 26 Ohms when on, and infinity when it isn’t. I do need that element-is-OK-lamp as mentioned in my PID post. Really!

Put a clean element in, put the grain and the liquor/wort back in, and found the wort dribbling out of the bottom because I’d forgotten the white rubber ring to go between element and boiler. Take the liquid and solids out, remove the element, wipe the hole, put the element back with the rubber ring this time. The clean element was also cutting out because the gluey stuff from the oats and the crystal malt was burning onto the element.

OK, how can I heat that much grain and liquor without direct heating from an element? Aha... need a heat exchanger! Brewery reconfigured as HERMS lashup instead of RIMS using the home-made immersion chiller, the boiler as an HLT and a selection of hoses and adaptors.
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You can see the little black wire of the PT100 probe next to the thermometer. A tap from a fermenter was put into the bottom of a brewing bin so the bin could be used as the mash tun, and have somewhere to run-off from (not playing with hop-backs at this stage). I put a kitchen sieve under the return pipe into the HLT to catch the grains which were still coming out of the pump. Note quantities of valuable wort on the patio! At this stage after the sort-of 40 ̊C bit, my new cheapo refractometer was reading 9 ̊ Brix, which the table on Fermsoft makes 1.036. I could brew with that, apart from it being rather murky like lentil soup. I haven't understood whether I need to do anything about temperature compensation with the refractometer. It says it has ATC, but is that the surroundings or the sample?

After a while the brewing bin spat the tap out of its hole and started pouring wort onto the patio. I'd used the rubber washer which worked with the fermenter, but the new hole in the brewing bin was 28mm (I have a hole-saw that size) instead of the 1" it really wanted. Take the liquid and solids out, including the false bottom, remove the tap, wipe the hole, put the tap back with two big plastic tank washers and a quantity of silicone sealant (from Wickes. Fernox do something similar. WRAS-approved, good for potable water and hot water to over 100 ̊C, goes off in 20 minutes or so - the tube comes in a red box). Have a cup of tea and a sit down while waiting for the sealant to go off, also dry socks not soaked in sticky stuff.

Now we have the big pump doing a million gallons a minute through 8mm copper pipe (spot of back-pressure here), via some garden hose which didn't want to stay on its nice Gardena-style hose fitting once the circulating water was getting hot. I tried another fitting, but after the second time that it blew off and sprayed me with hot water, I went straight from the reinforced silicone hose to the Gardena fitting without any garden hose in the way.

Other people posting to JHBF have pointed-out the difficulty of controlling the temperature of a HERMS with a big HLT. I have to agree! It took about 2 1/2 hours to go from 30 ̊C to 63 ̊C with the single kettle element in the HLT - somewhere about this point I'd decided to give up on the 50 ̊C rest. About 5 pm I was ready to give up entirely, but the thought of all that nearly-beer was too much. With the PID set to 68 ̊C I was eventually getting mash at 61 ̊C according to the thermometer, so I turned the PID up to 75 ̊C, chucked in several kettlefuls of boiling water into the HLT and got 67 ̊C! Hooray, start the timer for one hour. Without the mash circulating I had to stir it every so often, particularly to get the hottest fluid nearer the thermometer and the probe - that's why I would like the mash to be all whizzing around under power. Several hot hose adjustments and a scalded hand (should have worn the rubber gloves) later... I realised that the mash temperature had crept up to 73 ̊C, and thought Rude Word, as my auntie would say. It must have had about half an hour at that temperature. With ten minutes of the mash to go, the other piece of garden hose blew - but splitting instead of coming out of the hose fitting. More hot water all over the show. Gave up on the heating and circulating for the last ten minutes. Ran off into a clean bin, and sparged with the other PID system:
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You can see the PT-100 probe in the end of the sparging tee. I used a little bit of self-amalgam tape instead of the olive in the Watch Hill 3mm to 1/8 BSP fitting, which I adapted to 15mm copper. Here are the PID controller and the peristaltic pump:
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I think the sparging went brilliantly: temperature at 77 or 78 ̊C, I moved the sparging tee around a bit to cover the grain bed, and stopped sparging when the run-off looked a bit anaemic (2 ̊ Brix, say 1.008).

Boiling went very well - about another hour to get up a rolling boil, with one element:
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added 30g of home-grown Hallertau hops in a bag, boiled for an hour, put the (cleaned-ish) immersion chiller in to sterilise, back to the boil, added 20g of home-grown Hallertau hops in another bag, boiled for a further 15 mins, force-chill for about half an hour to discover it had gone down to 15 ̊C (Rude Word), pour between sanitised brewing buckets to aerate, adding the starter of Safale S-04. The starter went up like a lift, so something went OK yesterday. Bucket sitting in the front room for a week or so, then I'll rack to a fermenter. OG 13 ̊ Brix = about 1.053?

Today I'm taking it easy - I reckon I was starting on the patio about 10:30 or 11 a.m. yesterday, and stopped washing up (didn't say I'd finished) about 11:30 p.m.

I'm sure I read on here somewhere that some expert homebrewer could do a all-grain in five hours! Maybe all his kit works...

delboy

Post by delboy » Thu Mar 06, 2008 3:55 pm

Sounds like you had a bit of a mare, but by the sounds of it your next brew should go real smooth after identifying and addressing so many problems with your setup with this one :D

prolix

Post by prolix » Thu Mar 06, 2008 4:09 pm

bloody good sparge and boil! excellent day!

I feel for you but this beer will taste great, if the gods of sods law still hold sway.

There was a fire engine around here missing a pump now I know where it went. :shock: How many gallons a second does that beast pump?

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Post by edit1now » Thu Mar 06, 2008 4:16 pm

61 litres a minute according to Machine Mart. That is presumably unrestricted flow...

I want a smaller one, maybe something with a magnetic drive and the sort of pump head you can dismantle to clean out the gunge.

steve_flack

Re: Oatmeal Stout

Post by steve_flack » Thu Mar 06, 2008 4:29 pm

edit1now wrote: I'm sure I read on here somewhere that some expert homebrewer could do a all-grain in five hours! Maybe all his kit works...
:roll: It does now.... (crosses fingers and touches some nearby wood)

1) Get up
2) Put on water
3) Go back to bed for an hour
4) Mash (1hr)
5) Sparge and heat to boil (1hr)
6) Boil (1hr)
7) Chill and rack (1hr)
8) Clean Up (1hr)

Having said that I do prep my water and weigh out and crush all my grains the night before which takes another half hour I guess.

Dan

Post by Dan » Thu Mar 06, 2008 5:30 pm

that looks an amazing juggling act I hope the wort you managed to save turns out ok.

I used to have trouble with my old system when heating grains with an element. Certain malt like wheat would cause it to trip much more frequently than just plain barley malt. have you tried to heat the liquid from the mash, rather than the grain itself?

4 hrs 15 mins 8)

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Post by ECR » Thu Mar 06, 2008 7:23 pm

Great photographs. Sounds like a stressful day though. Hope you've managed to relax now :D

subsub

Post by subsub » Thu Mar 06, 2008 11:32 pm

What the betting that the beer from this escapade will be the best you've ever made :D

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Post by ECR » Thu Mar 06, 2008 11:33 pm

I think this is going to be my next brew :D

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Post by edit1now » Sat Mar 22, 2008 9:38 pm

Racked it today. Thought I'd try using the peristaltic pump, which is slow but I don't have to worry about losing the syphon. The brewing bin has sat for an hour or two on the patent lectern, so to get more depth for the syphon straw:
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NB the catfood plates are nothing to do with the brewing process.

Here is a closeup of the Kartell disconnect joining the two tubes together, and you can see how clear the beer is!
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The syphon straw works a treat:
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and I don't have to prop the brewing bin up on odd bits of wood, the rolling pin and so on anymore. Better stop sucking about now:
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Racking gravity (I usually rack to a plastic fermenter after the bin has sat in the front room for a couple of weeks) seemed to be 6.7̊ Brix = 1027. Not the dryest stout, as tested, but very malty and with just a hint of that Marmite note. Now it goes in the shed for probably six weeks before bottling.

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Post by edit1now » Sat Apr 26, 2008 1:58 pm

I'm thinking about bottling it today: it's had five weeks in a fermenter under an airlock, and it's still 6.8 Brix, or 1027!

Did all that oatmeal, and the 67 to 73 degree mash temp, produce an awful lot of unfermentables, or did the SO-4 yeast stick? It tastes fine, and the Marmite notes have gone, so if it had a little carbonation it would be quite drinkable, but only about 3.7 or 4 % ABV.

Any thoughts please?

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Post by edit1now » Sat Apr 26, 2008 9:52 pm

Gave up, and bottled it. I only got 29 1/2 500ml bottles, so 14 1/4 litres, but there was almost nothing at the bottom of the fermenter. Must have left all the yeast behind in the brewing bucket on the 22nd of March.

Following a suggestion from Ray Nicklin at
Spencers Homebrew - I asked about getting a Content deleted in accordance with forum rules. and he said he bottles his beer using his wine filter pump (just the pump, not the filter) - I've had a go at bottling using my peristaltic pump:

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It worked really well: when I mentioned the two jugs method I've done before (fill jug one to about 500ml from fermenter tap, fill jug two to exactly 500ml from jug one) people have expressed worries about oxidation and possible infection. Using the pump to suck from the syphon cane, as in my post above, the delivery end went right down to the bottom of each primed bottle (1 level tsp of gran in each) so hardly any possibility of splashing for oxidation, and while the pump is slow, maybe 29 litres an hour, it is so controllable. If I want another quarter inch up the neck of the bottle, I just blip the switch on and off. My problem with filling straight from the fermenter tap was that it was too fast, and went whoosh when the level got to the conical neck of the bottle. All I need to improve this pumped bottling technique a bit is a length of rigid or semi-rigid plastic tube, maybe a bit of syphon straw, so that the end to poke in the bottle doesn't flop about like the silicone tubing I'm using.

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Post by edit1now » Sun Apr 27, 2008 9:05 am

I didn't think about that - is there a fudge factor one can apply to FGs measured with a refractometer, and is that why there is a correction on the MT Bottle & Brewing Co converter?

I'll leave the oatmeal stout in bottle for a week in the front room, so it primes a bit, then open one and take both hydrometer and refractometer readings.

mysterio

Post by mysterio » Sun Apr 27, 2008 5:57 pm

DaaB wrote:I've only just about go my head around using the correction facility in Beersmith. You need to note the OG to get a good estimate of the FG or PG.

TBH I just stick to using a hydrometer for fermenting beer and FGs, it's easier.
Definately, i've had wildly inaccurate results using a refractometer for FG measuring, using Beersmith's correction facility just adds another margin for error which you've already got from using a refractometer in the first place.

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Post by edit1now » Sun Apr 27, 2008 7:35 pm

OK, so refractometer for quick readings on brew day, but hydrometer anytime after the yeast has gone in?

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