Wheeler's Beer Engine

If you use Beersmith, Promash, Beer Engine, or whatever, this is the place to discuss pros, cons, tips and tricks
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Madbrewer

Re: Wheeler's Beer Engine

Post by Madbrewer » Tue Nov 04, 2008 6:56 pm

Graham wrote: ......
Of course, if everybody prefers Promash anyway, there will not be a lot of point.
Are you trying to write something for your use that understands your current 'ways' of doing things? Or are you trying to take on the promash & beersmith for a share of their customer base?

Yours actually looks uncluttered compared to beer smith. Great for a beginner & Also in it's current form makes a really good starting point for generating your own recipes. I actually think your 'next' book (after the abridged one) could perhaps come with a CD containing this as part of the 'bundle' .... So I think there's a certain appeal its current simplicity and with the added 'european' recipes as discussed it would have great appeal too! I for one would certainly love to see future versions of this program.

MartialAnt

Re: Wheeler's Beer Engine

Post by MartialAnt » Tue Nov 04, 2008 7:03 pm

Graham wrote:
MartialAnt wrote:If my computer goes tits up i'll never buy future books of yours..... so there!
I don't think there will be many "future books".

It hasn't bounced anybody's machine yet - I'd be sure to have heard about it by now if it had. That's tempting fate [-o<

Ok its now installed. What now? Looks complicated to me. Think i'll just guess my brew hoppage as usual.

Graham

Re: Wheeler's Beer Engine

Post by Graham » Tue Nov 04, 2008 8:48 pm

Madbrewer wrote: Are you trying to write something for your use that understands your current 'ways' of doing things? Or are you trying to take on the promash & beersmith for a share of their customer base?
It started off for my own private use. It had is origins in the 1980's, written for a Sinclar QL, indeed, many of the empirical formulae that I developed then are still used in this current reincarnation. The main reason for knocking it into some sort of distributable shape was Daabs encouragement to do so.

It is not necessarily my intention to do something that understands my current 'ways' of doing things, but hopefully the proper way of doing things from the perspective of the 6.4 billion people in the world that happen to not be American. Most of the brewing software available to us is basically American cast-offs, frigged to approximate the methods of the rest of the world; usually not very well.

I do not have much experience with Beersmith because it stopped working before I had chance to evaluate it, and I'm not going to pay for it. One of the problems I had with Promash, apart from its unnecessary complexity, was its inflexible one-size-fits-all approach. This is particularly apparent when it comes to hop utilisation - basically four options: two of which are in cloud-cuckoo-land, one that is reasonable or good enough, and another that I am not quite sure what it means. The big issue is that none of these methods are adjustable. You are stuck with them - as they are - like it or not.

So basically I have tried to do something that is unadulterated with unnecessary junk and is not bogged down by inappropriate beer styles - just designs or verifies recipes - forwards, backwards, sideways, anyway you like, but just recipes - with the right answers. It works fundamentally in metric, IoB, EBC etc, so there is no frigging about between standards, anything that needs to be adjustable by the end user, is adjustable by the end user (or will be). And free, of course.
Madbrewer wrote: Yours actually looks uncluttered compared to beer smith. Great for a beginner & Also in it's current form makes a really good starting point for generating your own recipes. I actually think your 'next' book (after the abridged one) could perhaps come with a CD containing this as part of the 'bundle' .... So I think there's a certain appeal its current simplicity and with the added 'european' recipes as discussed it would have great appeal too! I for one would certainly love to see future versions of this program.
I think that a book becomes eligible for VAT once a CD is bundled with it. That would knock its price up by about 20%

If and when I have finished it, I will try to find a (safe) way for it to be redistributed. A big fear is it being tampered with by the low-life of this world.

Gurgeh

Re: Wheeler's Beer Engine

Post by Gurgeh » Wed Nov 05, 2008 7:41 am

=D> just about to download - Thanks Graham!

Bryggmester

Re: Wheeler's Beer Engine

Post by Bryggmester » Wed Nov 05, 2008 9:44 am

I've downloaded it and it is working well. I shall have fun with this, thanks Graham!

Madbrewer

Re: Wheeler's Beer Engine

Post by Madbrewer » Wed Nov 05, 2008 9:59 am

Graham wrote: So basically I have tried to do something that is unadulterated with unnecessary junk and is not bogged down by inappropriate beer styles - just designs or verifies recipes ......
Yes it's indeed nice to see something uncluttered. This version certainly seems to fulfill that wish.
Graham wrote: I think that a book becomes eligible for VAT once a CD is bundled with it. That would knock its price up by about 20%
Pity
Graham wrote: And free, of course
Definetely will be well recieved then =D>

bloodoaf

Re: Wheeler's Beer Engine

Post by bloodoaf » Wed Nov 05, 2008 11:27 am

Superb! I have just downloaded it and I can see that it will save a lot of scribbling and calculations (particularly as I brew either 19 of 38 litres). I went to Bobek hops and it was not in the list - I clicked on Styrian Goldings instead.
Once you have the save facility working do you believe it will be possible to send a save file to someone via email, and for them to open it up using beer engine and have a recipe appear in their beer engine ? If so that opens up a world of possibilities!
I have tried promash and was baffled- but this is easy to use immediately. =D>
Thanks very much Graham.

Gurgeh

Re: Wheeler's Beer Engine

Post by Gurgeh » Wed Nov 05, 2008 12:22 pm

broken it!

clicking on the +10% bit for hops too much and it crashes

Love it though - bye bye 'SUDS'

Graham

Re: Wheeler's Beer Engine

Post by Graham » Wed Nov 05, 2008 12:34 pm

Gurgeh wrote:broken it!

clicking on the +10% bit for hops too much and it crashes

Love it though - bye bye 'SUDS'
What! :shock: I can't make it crash. How many clicks is too much?

I notice that I've not implemented any upper limit on the percent column, which I should have done, just as I have in the grist % column. But I can't actually make it crash.

I think I know what it is that you are observing and, if I am right, it is not a crash.

Gurgeh

Re: Wheeler's Beer Engine

Post by Gurgeh » Wed Nov 05, 2008 2:21 pm

I had it set on 'exponential', selected cascade hops, set to 30IBU adn merrily clicked away at the +10% button, assuming it would ignore any clicks beyond 100% but i got the windows error report thing come up and the app vanished :lol:

Graham

Re: Wheeler's Beer Engine

Post by Graham » Wed Nov 05, 2008 5:37 pm

Gurgeh wrote:I had it set on 'exponential', selected cascade hops, set to 30IBU adn merrily clicked away at the +10% button, assuming it would ignore any clicks beyond 100% but i got the windows error report thing come up and the app vanished :lol:
Sorry, I am unable to reproduce that. I will change it so that it can't exceed 100%, but it shouldn't make any difference to that particular event. It is not (or should not) really be possible for me to crash the software in that manner anyway.

Curious.

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Re: Wheeler's Beer Engine

Post by Jim » Wed Nov 05, 2008 6:23 pm

I got up to 1000% before I got fed up - no crash. Running XP Pro with all the latest updates.
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Re: Wheeler's Beer Engine

Post by Graham » Wed Nov 05, 2008 7:45 pm

Thanks Jim.
I'll just hope that it was a one-off glitch. Gurgeh is the only sufferer so far, and there has been a fair few downloads.

Gurgeh

Re: Wheeler's Beer Engine

Post by Gurgeh » Wed Nov 05, 2008 8:46 pm

Maths dept computer - probably has some sort of snotty problem with having more than 100% hops :lol:

Graham

Re: Wheeler's Beer Engine

Post by Graham » Wed Nov 05, 2008 9:19 pm

Gurgeh wrote:Maths dept computer - probably has some sort of snotty problem with having more than 100% hops :lol:
:lol: Yes, of course. The maths dept computer would be clever enough to think: "110% can't be right!", and throw a wobbly.

I'm fairly confident it will be okay on your own machine.

It reminds me of a Trade Union bloke on the telly a few years ago, who said: "Five per cent of nothing is nothing. We want ten per cent".

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