How much a pint?

[noble ox]

Hi
I was wondering what the latest price is for our brewing per pint?
Mine if 35p ish on average anyone agree or are yours dearer or cheaper
Thanks

[Beer O'Clock]

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Looks like somebody forgot to include their stock and start up figures. Putting ALL the relevent costs into a spreadsheet and having completed 29 BIAB brews, my per pint cost is £1.42 (and reducing each batch). In stock alone I use £10-12 per batch but that's not inclusing electricity, water, refridgeration and equipment purchases.

Don't kid yourself that you only pay 35p a pint, unless you have been brewing with the same equipment for 10 odd years

[noble ox]

Ouch
I was not including all the hardware etc just the raw materials
I go seafishing and the cost of Cod last year was £488 per pound according to the brewery permission officer
worked on what I payed for tackle etc
Thanks for the reply

[Spud395]

I've made some extremly cheap pints, this one was made for the wife and she loved it


Pale Malt 3500 grams .................€2.38
Wheat Malt 100 grams ................€0.20
Sugar, Household White 200 grams..€0.16

Magnum Whole 12.6 % 12 grams .....€0.48
Tettnang Whole 4.3 % 20 grams .....€0.80
Tettnang Whole 4.3 % 10 grams .....€0.40

Final Volume: 23 Litres
Original Gravity: 1.039
Final Gravity: 1.007
Alcohol Content: 4.1% ABV
Total Liquor: 31.9 Litres
Mash Liquor: 9 Litres
Mash Efficiency: 75 %
Bitterness: 20
Colour: 6 EBC

I'll add €0.40 for yeast as this was 8th generation of a pack of nottingham, but I'm still pitching this so thats a bit to much

She loved it, I didnt
Not my typical brew but I make that €4.82 for 23L I make that 10.5c a pint (well 500ml)
That works out at almost 9p in your money

Edit: allowing for the spoiler beer o clock additions 1060 pints on a €50 brewery.
That add almost another 5c a pint

[danbrew]

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Looks like somebody forgot to include their stock and start up figures. :

You wouldn't do that if you was running a business so why would you do it for your homebrew...? I'm no accountant but you would only need to account for the depreciation of your assets over their anticipated lifespan and the interest to service the debt/ capital investment of those assets... (or something like that...)

Spending £200.00 on equipment and ingredients doesn't make your first 20 pints cost £10 each...

[Beer O'Clock]

<<Spoiler Alert>>

Looks like somebody forgot to include their stock and start up figures. :

You wouldn't do that if you was running a business so why would you do it for your homebrew...? I'm no accountant but you would only need to account for the depreciation of your assets over their anticipated lifespan and the interest to service the debt/ capital investment of those assets... (or something like that...)

Spending £200.00 on equipment and ingredients doesn't make your first 20 pints cost £10 each...

Actually it does. If you are costing production (and my wife is the expert in this field as she is in the business), that's exactly what you do. It is the overall cost to create the final product. All of your investments are relevent.

A business is a taxable entity and is worth a specific value (goodwill, equipment + SAV). If you are calculating your taxable revenue, you have to account for everything. That is then calculated against your depreciation. You use that depreciation as a deduction against your tax.

[Spud395]

The way it works here, for tax purposes, when you buy equipment for your business (yes I do run my own business) you normally write off the cost over 5-7 years depending on the cost of the equipment. You can not write it off in year one or anything like it.

But this is a discussion on how much the materials cost for a brew, not how much we spent on our brewery (that was another thread if I remember)

[danbrew]

Suppose i am looking at it from the point of view a business calculating an actual selling price... Where I am looking for a contribution from the sales price to go towards paying for assets over the long term... My very limited understanding of this area (like I said, I'm no accountant) is that accounting for assets and income is different... I might just reconstitute my 'companies' so I lease my gear from myself... Besides, it's a hobby...

[Beer O'Clock]

All expenditure adds to the cost of brewing. Without the expenditure, you wouldn't be brewing.

Are we saying we just ignore all the expenses that get us to the pint in our glass ?

[gnutz2]

Just rename the thread, how much a pint "FOR THE INGREDIENTS"

[danbrew]

Just rename the thread, how much a pint "FOR THE INGREDIENTS"

About £6.00 for malt, £2.00 for hops and a quid for yeast. I think about the quid for electric and sometimes add it in and sometimes don't.

I ignore the rest of the expenses that get me to the pint in my glass.

[orlando]

All expenditure adds to the cost of brewing. Without the expenditure, you wouldn't be brewing.

Are we saying we just ignore all the expenses that get us to the pint in our glass ?

No, but we're all using different equipment and paying different amounts for it and it is a hobby so to have a more meaningful discussion on what it costs to brew a pint the variable costs i.e. ingredients, is a more interesting, and comparable, number to declare. If we included absolutely everything we get further away from a meaningful and more interesting comparison.

Anyway, I use BeerSmith to create recipes and when I come across one I like the look of I plumb this into it and it calculates on my behalf what it is going to cost me in purely raw materials. It isn't the "true" cost, I know that, but it at least tells me what the ballpark figure is, and if I can be arsed,I can work out how many brews it will take to get my overall investment back through the pubs or at supermarket beer prices, but it isn't really the point.

To that end my next brew is 25 litres of bitter which, using some free yeast from a local micro, is costing me £5.30. I know I will not be brewing on exactly the same kit in 10 years so amortising the cost in that way is a nonsense, so I look at it in this relatively simple way and enjoy the end product and how good it is and how "cheap" it is.

[Beer O'Clock]

All expenditure adds to the cost of brewing. Without the expenditure, you wouldn't be brewing.

Are we saying we just ignore all the expenses that get us to the pint in our glass ?

No, but we're all using different equipment and paying different amounts for it and it is a hobby so to have a more meaningful discussion on what it costs to brew a pint the variable costs i.e. ingredients, is a more interesting, and comparable, number to declare. If we included absolutely everything we get further away from a meaningful and more interesting comparison.

Anyway, I use BeerSmith to create recipes and when I come across one I like the look of I plumb this into it and it calculates on my behalf what it is going to cost me in purely raw materials. It isn't the "true" cost, I know that, but it at least tells me what the ballpark figure is, and if I can be arsed,I can work out how many brews it will take to get my overall investment back through the pubs or at supermarket beer prices, but it isn't really the point.

To that end my next brew is 25 litres of bitter which, using some free yeast from a local micro, is costing me £5.30. I know I will not be brewing on exactly the same kit in 10 years so amortising the cost in that way is a nonsense, so I look at it in this relatively simple way and enjoy the end product and how good it is and how "cheap" it is.

..and perpetuate the lie

[orlando]

If you like, but I'm not sweating it.

[jonnyt]

Let me see
£3 Mango Chutney Jar
£10 Plumbing bits
£3 Voile
£6 Kettle element
£25 Barrel
£10 Injector
£9 Fermentor

Total cost £56

I've brewed around 240 pints on this kit now so Capex works out at 23p per pint and reducing
Ingredients around 25p per pint
Add sundries and it comes to around 55p per pint.

However, instead of drinking 50% of a bottle of wine I have a pint every night. So now I'm spending 55p per night instead of £2.50 so saving nearly £2 per night.
I've been doing this since November so around 100 days saving £2 per night equal £200.

I therefore believe my beer has zero cost.