green hop beer

[CestrIan]

My first year making a GHB this year. First gold from the garden. Cones have got much bigger over the last week. I gave them some tomato feed - not sure if this helped, but they seemed to like it.

I will keep the grain bill simple Marris Otter / Lager malt and a handful of wheat malt.

Can't wait!!!

[Uncle Joshua]

I'll have about 175g of green fuggles, will that be enough?

[Andy]

Brewed a green hop ale last Saturday using hops from a mate's garden (fuggles + goldings)

90% Pale
10% Caragold
Challenger bittering hops with a healthy dollup of green hops in 15 mins to go and another batch at power off
Nottingham yeast
OG 1037

Just about finished fermenting.

Toying with using more green hops in the conditioning tank.

[Blackaddler]

I'll have about 175g of green fuggles, will that be enough?

That's the equivalent of about 35-40gms dried.

[Uncle Joshua]

I'll have about 175g of green fuggles, will that be enough


How does this grain bill look...

3600 For the pale to make it 5% (78.3%)

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If I used 30g of magnum at the start would this work with the fuggles I have?

[seymour]

If you're planning on using the green Fuggles only as late aroma/flavour additions, then you have an ideal quantity. Using Magnum hops for the boil kettle bittering addition is a good idea. If you're brewing a standard 5 gallon batch, you might not want to use the full 30g because I predict that would produce around 57 IBU. I would probably aim closer to 30-40 IBU, but that's a matter of preference.

[legion]

I did my 1 gallon batch of a wild green hop brew on tuesday evening using 115 grams of hops with a 7 min boil.

I havent sampled it yet and its in a demijohn so wont be able to try it until its ready to bottle. It was some wort that i had kept in my freezer from my last brew a few weeks ago that had been pre bittered with centennial and magnum.

The hops did smell a bit onion / garlicy...

[djbadger]

I'm doing one today as I've got an afternoon off work. Mashed in straight pale malt to about 1050 (with a handful of oats as I was having porridge anyway!) at breakfast and will sparge over lunchtime, get the boil on and nip up to the allotment where I've got fuggles, goldings and cascade flowering.

I was thinking of skipping the initial bittering but loading in green hops at around 30/20/10/5 minutes in 100g batches to a total of about 400g so as to get maximum fresh hop flavour without overdoing the bitterness. Last year I did a GHB and used a more complicated malt bill to 1070 and for some reason put in a fair whack of dried hops at 90mins (~50ibus I think) maybe because I was not confident about the bittering power of the green hops. Suffice to say it was a bit overpowering although has mellowed out recently to become a lot more drinkable.

I've got SO4, US05 and WB06, probably will go for the SO4.
Any comments on the hopping?

Cheers

[timbo41]

a mate has just invited me to harvest some of the wilds from his garden...me being me jumped at it picked a big bag full, took home....arrggh no grain, extract..even any surviving wilkos bonanza tins. So in my usual fashion have just chucked whole bag into one of those vaccuum storage bags and got the Dyson going....these Golding looking big cone dudes smelt wicked...hope they can last until weekend. will probably give a ten minute boil with a wilkos brand kit, the lager prob, then ferment at 12-14° in an old wine coolerfridge I came across

[jmc]

Lucky to have sunny day yesterday so made AG90, a Green-hopped ale with some of my Cascade.

Summit to bitter and
330g Cascade added split between 5 min boil and 80C post-boil steep.

I'm really lot on malt so used up Lager and Munich I had with a bit of wheat and crystal.
Recipe listed after pics

Cascade on 3rd year. Its growing through grape vine and other stuff on pergola & trellis.



3/4 of 2 gal bucket picked.


Still quite a bit left. Hoping for good weather next weekend too


About 330g allowing for bags


2nd addition - Flame out /80csteep for 30 mins


After run off to FV. They didn't look as green as camera shows. More brown/grey.


Wort smelt & tasted very aromatic. Not very bitter at all (to me)
Ended up with 23L at 1046, as left it boil too long (prior to hop additions), so happy enough.

Green Hophead No 6 - 24L AG90
Date: 29/9/13
Gyle Number: 90
Fermentable Colour lb: oz Grams Ratio
Lager Malt 5 EBC 4 lbs. 6.5 oz 2000 grams 44.4%
Munich Malt 20 EBC 3 lbs. 8.0 oz 1590 grams 35.3%
Wheat Malt 3.5 EBC 1 lbs. 1.6 oz 500 grams 11.1%
Flaked Oats 0 EBC 0 lbs. 7.0 oz 200 grams 4.4%
Crystal Malt 130 EBC 0 lbs. 7.4 oz 210 grams 4.7%


Hop Variety Type Alpha Time lb: oz grams Ratio
Summit Whole 17.2 % 75 mins 0 lbs. 0.7 oz 20 grams 5.6%
Cascade - Green Whole 2 % 5 mins 0 lbs. 5.8 oz 165 grams 46.9%
Cascade - Green Whole 2 % 0 mins 0 lbs. 5.9 oz 165 grams 47.5%


Final Volume: 24 Litres
Original Gravity: 1.043
Final Gravity: 1.010
Alcohol Content: 4.2% ABV
Total Liquor: 36.6 Litres
Mash Liquor: 11.3 Litres
Mash Efficiency: 78 %
Bitterness: 43.8 EBU
Colour: 23 EBC

[ferry george]

This is what I did a 16 litre brew;

Pale malt 2900g
Crystal 300g
T.W. 300g

40g of home grown and dried Progress for 90mins.
200g of home grown W.G.V. green for 10 min.

Gervin English ale yeast( cos that's all I had).

9 days in f.v at 20c, then same in bottles, tried one after 10 days chilling and it tastes ok, lovely colour, and pleasant refreshing taste, I'm sure it'll improve with keeping.

[ferry george]

This is what I did a 16 litre brew;

Pale malt 2900g
Crystal 300g
T.W. 300g

40g of home grown and dried Progress for 90mins.
200g of home grown W.G.V. green for 10 min.

Gervin English ale yeast( cos that's all I had).

9 days in f.v at 20c, then same in bottles, tried one after 10 days chilling and it tastes ok, lovely colour, and pleasant refreshing taste, I'm sure it'll improve with keeping.

[seymour]

Hey guys, every single one of these batches sounds delicious. Wouldn't it be awesome if we could pull-together a Jim's Beer Kit green hop ale fest to share with each other?!

[scuppeteer]

I'm sure it'll improve with keeping.

Would be very interested to hear what other's think but I have found they do lose a lot of the clean and fresh flavour's the longer they are kept. They are a harvest beer after all so should really be drunk young. Just like Beaujolais. Which is why we call it beerjolais!

[greenxpaddy]

Just been looking back on last years posts & cant see any follow ups of brewing with frozen "wet green hops. I too would love to know if it works.

Not to sound like a party pooper, but it seems to me a green hop beer oughta be all about absolute freshness. Brewers brag about getting freshly-picked green hops into a boil kettle within hours.

If you freeze green hops and use them much later, I don't think that would count as a "Green Hop Beer." I can't think of any good reasons to freeze green hops, because as the higher water content freezes, the ice breaks the cell walls, etc. I'm not sure what effect that would have, exactly, but the delicate hoppy aromas will decay at least as fast as they would with properly dried hops in long-term storage. Not to mention they would take up 5-6 times as much space. I'd say if you intend on preserving them, you oughta just dry them before freezing them. But as always, I could be wrong.

Not sure I agree. If you can use the hops straight away that is fine but its not always practical. I vac packed mine wet within an hour of picking and froze until brew day. The flavour was immense. Maybe the result will be more grassy with cell wall degradation from freezing. Will let you know!