Crusader set up

Yosh · Post by **Yosh** » Fri Feb 27, 2015 4:14 pm

Hi everyone, I'm looking to get probably at least 3 crusader kegs set up. But I don't really know what I need in terms of lines, couplers, regulators etc. Also am I likely to have any problems with multiply kegs from 1 co2 source? Up until now I've only every used king kegs, so this is all new to me.

One other thing, I'm not sure which size would be best 20/30 liter, I'm thinking 30 liter. I don't have a kegerator to think about, size wise, but I will be brewing with a Braumeister 20l.

alexlark · Post by **alexlark** » Sat Feb 28, 2015 10:37 am

Gas bottle
Regulator
Gas Line
Splitter (if supplying 2 kegs at same pressure)
Secondary regulator (kegs at different pressures)
Keg coupler
Beer line
Beer tap
Kegs
A number of John Guest fittings to put it all together.

Ideally a fridge to keep the kegs in.

The 30l kegs are really short and take up the same floor space as a 50l keg.

The 20l kegs are tall and thin and easier to store in a larder fridge.

Since moving to BIAB brewing I just brew to 20l.

Yosh · Post by **Yosh** » Sat Feb 28, 2015 11:03 am

Cheers Alex, on second thoughts I might go for the 20l then. It gives me a good reason to get a keezer so I can use them to their full potential.

rpt · Post by **rpt** » Sat Feb 28, 2015 3:58 pm

You'll probably need a length of 3/16" beer line plus 3/8" adapters otherwise you are likely to dispense foam. If you want hand pulled beer then a check valve is necessary as well as the beer engine.

There are a few different primary regulators (the regulator connected to the bottle) you can get. Some are bottle mounted and some are wall mounted. Mine is bottle mounted, has no gauge and just produces a fixed 40psi pressure. So I have to use a secondary regulator and I can chain as many secondary regulators as I want. Some primary regulators let you adjust the output pressure so are effectively a combined primary and secondary.

Don't use a welding regulator (like the one the Malt Miller sells) with Crusader kegs (or any sankey/pub kegs) as they don't have a pressure relief valve. They are fine with cornies as the kegs themselves have a PRV built in. If the primary regulator fails you might get a nasty explosion.

Yosh · Post by **Yosh** » Sun Mar 01, 2015 10:31 am

Is there any consensus on what spear type is best? A, G or S. Is there much difference. I'm going to ask if they can send them without the spears installed.

GrowlingDogBeer · Post by **GrowlingDogBeer** » Sun Mar 01, 2015 11:10 am

I think S Type are the most common amongst home brewers.

jaroporter · Post by **jaroporter** » Sun Mar 01, 2015 11:31 am

s type appear to be most common, but i think that's a lot to do with price of couplers and spear removal. spear removal on s type is quite well documented, and i believe you can utilise a 4 quid basin wrench as a tool. i got a type 'cause the couplers were massively cheaper and have knocked up a basic removal tool myself. looks similarly easy to do the same for g type.. assuming you have removed the safety tabs. i think there's a trick involving a 5p piece that means you don't have to remove them on the s type, though many still do..

Goulders · Post by **Goulders** » Sun Mar 01, 2015 11:41 am

rpt wrote:Don't use a welding regulator (like the one the Malt Miller sells) with Crusader kegs (or any sankey/pub kegs) as they don't have a pressure relief valve. They are fine with cornies as the kegs themselves have a PRV built in. If the primary regulator fails you might get a nasty explosion.

I think that is very unlikely. Surely the more likely scenario is beer being forced out of the tap...

GrowlingDogBeer · Post by **GrowlingDogBeer** » Sun Mar 01, 2015 12:07 pm

I think the most likely thing in my system is the beer pipe would come of the back of the tap and make a mess, it's only pushed on, no clips.

I have prv's built into the keg couplers though. It's a lot easier if you just buy the decent couplers with the prv's already built in.

Goulders · Post by **Goulders** » Sun Mar 01, 2015 3:23 pm

I have one coupler with a prv. Need to buy a couple more.

Yosh · Post by **Yosh** » Mon Mar 02, 2015 11:57 am

Is there a limit to how many kegs you can run off one co2 tank given enough splitters?

Fil · Post by **Fil** » Mon Mar 02, 2015 1:04 pm

Yosh wrote:Is there a limit to how many kegs you can run off one co2 tank given enough splitters?

not practically no..

Yosh · Post by **Yosh** » Sat Mar 21, 2015 5:55 pm

Ok so I'm getting somewhere. This site seems to have s type keg taps for a reasonable price, and a primary regulator. But I'm not sure what the difference between these two secondary regulators:

MIXED GAS REGULATOR (N2/CO2)
http://www.bar-and-cellar-solutions.co. ... product=29

and

MICROMATIC CO2 REGULATOR
http://www.bar-and-cellar-solutions.co. ... product=23

Any ideas?

Fil · Post by **Fil** » Sat Mar 21, 2015 6:31 pm

yes one is suitable for mixed gas the other co2.. so dont use the mixed gas version with co2 and visa versa..

rpt · Post by **rpt** » Sat Mar 21, 2015 11:19 pm

Both of those regulators are primary regulators. They are not secondary regulators. It is only primary regulators where you need a different one for different types of gas - a bottle containing nitrogen is at a much higher pressure due to physics. Secondary regulators are the same regardless of gas.

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