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Budget 50L stainless brewshed

Post by dean_wales » Thu May 15, 2014 4:35 pm

Hi guys,

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Last year I made a number of posts as I tried to get a shiny build project together - I wanted to replace my very Heath Robinson plastic set up. However, life and toddler children got in the way and the shed became a junk store. Hard times financially mean that beer buying is now even more frowned on by SWMBO and so I need to put all those bits together and turn grains into drinks. The huge stash of malt, hops and yeast brought for the brewery in October that is going bad/to waste spurred me out of hibernation last week.

This is what I had used up until now to churn out reasonable brews but which were labour intensive and not exactly amazing examples of style. Disorganised and non-SWMBO friendly brew days with more than the odd H&S incident had to go...
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I decided the cramped and leaking shed full of plastic gear could be converted...
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Although having kids stopped me having time last year to build the new rig, it is partially having them which spurred me on. I cant be brewing with unattended Burco's full of splashing boiling wort, balancing on tables, running off overloaded extension leads any more! The winter also gave me time to work on the structure of the shed and repair the door etc. Break in are common round here as I back onto a biog park.

So here follows a condensed build diary of my progress so far. Individual posts per item of the brewery (HLT, MT etc). If I tried to show it chronologically you would dispair! Hopefully getting it out there will push me to get things finished over the next couple of weeks and get back to brewing beer (cider and wine are fun but they ain't no ale!)

Dean.
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Re: Budget 50L stainless brewshed

Post by Fil » Thu May 15, 2014 5:12 pm

bookmarked, eagerly awaiting the details.. it looks like a challenge fitting it all in the shed u have just how big a space do u have? ;)
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Re: Budget 50L stainless brewshed

Post by dean_wales » Thu May 15, 2014 5:14 pm

First up was a new HLT.

I had decided to sell me trusty old Burco 44L to my father as he always had his eye on it. He seems to be very happy with the old enamelled beast and I hope they have very many happy years brewing together. Incidentally it also comes in handy for boiling up loads of water for processing pig carcasses on slaughter day at the farm!

The HLT is based on a 50L stainless keg (legitimately purchased from Morrow Brothers). Forgot to take a pre-build photo but looked like any other one.

Across the whole build I decided to use recycled kegs as I had the following brief in my head:
- It needs to be fairly cheaply done but durable, safe and versatile in use.
- Bottom draining wherever possible as I found cleaning out my old mashtun and boiler a PITA!
- Stainless or copper wherever possible as I hate using plastic (slight tree hugger mentality worried about chemicals leaching).

To make it into anything approaching a pot I decided to cut the top off.

Lets be clear - If I were to start over I would 100% definitely have opted for the - flip it over and use a tri-clamp to connect to the neck method. Although it costs a little more, it is far more effective and serviceable.

However I only recently discovered this was possible and I decided asking my mate to braze copper elbows to the base was the cheapest/best solution for any bottom draines. With a hole cut out of the top and a disc lid cut from a scrap of stainless sheet I had the basis of a pot. Next up hole cutting.

I had thought of the HLT having a bottom drain but as this vessel will only ever hold clean water I decided it wasn't necessary as no cleaning is needed. So I opted for the usual valve and dip tube. I also needed to cut hold for a sight glass, thermowell and element. I also wanted to add a float switch for boil dry protection.

The first three were all going to be connected with standard 15mm brass tank connectors so simply a case of getting hold of a small 4mm and large 10mm cobalt bit and a Qmax hole punch. I found this process to be harder than expected even with good quality tools. Firstly the keg wall is, I think, a lot thicker than that of the stockpots often used. I broke several 4mm cobalt bits during the whole build as there is a very fine line between not applying enough pressure and work hardening the steel and applying too much pressure. If you apply too much pressure the bit 'bites' into the stainless to much and can snap. Once the 4mm hole is done, I open it out to 10mm with a larger bit to allow the QMax punch to get in. I should add that I used transmission fluid as my cutting oil as I had a spare bottle. The other real pain is the strain on the drill. I used several. The problem is you want the bit turning very slowly. Hovering on the trigger strains the drill terribly and I killed one cheap old mains drill I had lying around during the build.

Small holes drilled and importantly filed smooth and we are on to the big hole for the immersion element.

I chose immersion elements as they are durable and future proof (if my element blows in 5 years time I know I will be able to get another to swap in easily and cheaply). To fit this to the HLT I decided to use the big brass mechanical 'Essex' flanges used elsewhere. Impressive bits of heavy duty kit! There were to be coupled with some trade quality (but not inacoly/stainless) regular short 3kw immersion elements.
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To fit the flange I drilled my two pilot hole as before before then taking at the HLT with a big old Bosh cobalt hole saw. Nicely made and incredibly strong it needed control, plenty of fluid and pressure and a good drill to back it up. Once they start biting into the stainless they tear through quite quickly and you have to be careful to not go too quick or you end up with a messy hole and damaged hole saw.
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Once through there was a seemingly endless bout of filing and widening of the hole to allow the flange to fit (it needs a 64mm hole). To do this I used some Bosch grinding attatchments for my drill on medium speed. Neighbours really loved me that evening as the sound really echoes!
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Time to fit the flange.
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They dont like the curved stiff shape of the stainess wall and so need some serious pressure to get the to tighten up and press the stainless wall flat. I used a big ol' 60cm stilson wrench from Toolstation but in all honesty it wasnt big enough and I had to faff around with it adjust right to its max and slipping often, hence the scratched. Able to get loads of torque on it though when it gripped.
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Fittings all done! Dry fitted the immersion element for fun and all was good. Time to insulate and finish the exterior. I really wanted to insulate each vessel well to ensure maximum energy efficiency, minimum heat up times and to allow the proces to be split over two days if needed.

To do this I used a combination of what I had, what I found at boot bales and what I was recommended to go out and buy. I decided on a combination of polystyrene decoroll, closed cell foam and silver back bubble wrap. Polysterene is by far and away the cheapest insulation material and I have found it performs really well in past projects, so that's a good start. However it is very very fragile and ugly as sin. I planned to add a top layer of foil backed bubble wrap to smarten things up but was concerned about fragility. So went into town and got hold of some reasonably priced black closed cell foam sheet. It is stiff and very durable but also not that pretty so went for a final plan of three layers - polsterene first, foam second and silver bubble wrap last.
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A fairly complicated evening of measuring, cutting, gluing and rolling it all up ensued. I used luggage straps to keep it all super tight whilst the glue cured. I used Gripfill which stank the bloomin house out!
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The edges were finished and sealed up fairly tidy with a roll of silver aluminium tape.
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The lid now looked out of place so I cut a disc of foam and bubble wrap and also insulated that too. I then added a stainless drawer handle off eBay to make it easier to handle.
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Of course it is really no where near finished! First up plumbing. Cheap but good quality trade 15mm brass fittings and lever valves throughout were the order of the day. I had decided that camlocks were out of my budget but that I wanted to have some abilty for quick disconnects. Step forth cheap eBay brass hose and tap connectors.

The main valve was connected directly to the tank connector

The thermowell hole simply needed a brass tank connector with its centre drilled out to allow 15mm copper to pass through. I also cut back the insulation around the fitting a little to allow for tightening with tools.

The sight glass had a 1/2BSP female x 15mm compression elbow screwed onto the end of a 15mm tank connector. Only just deep enough to reach out past the insulation. Into the compression fitting I had a half metre or so of 15mm clear acrylic tubing. The polycarbonate tubing was too expensive for me. It doesnt quite rise vertically as the HLt wall is begining to curve inwards where I have attatched it - needs a support at the top to keep it from moving around.
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The float switch comes with its own washer and nut so just a case of drilling a small hole (approx 8-10mm) for it and screwing it down. I added a 3.5mm headphone jack to the end of the bare wires for neatness and connectivity.
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With the immersion element screwed in, I then set about wiring up a short permanent lead for it. I used a short length or the nice rubbery 2.5mm immersion flex for peace of mind. To the end of this I added a blue 16A commando plug as even though the shed wasnt ready I had decided already to use these sockets as the immersion elements would be pushing regular 13A plus and sockets to the max and they dont cost much more. This brewery needs to be safe and reliable enough to run unattended at night etc.
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Bravo! Looks pretty much done! A quick leak test revealed a little more tightending on a couple of fittings was needed but overall happy.
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Whilst doing the leak test I also calibrated the sight glass by adding two litres of water at a time and marking the sight glass with a permanent marker pen.

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Re: Budget 50L stainless brewshed

Post by darkonnis » Fri May 16, 2014 8:31 pm

Very nice mate, I really like the look of that and I like the bit with the float switch :D

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Re: Budget 50L stainless brewshed

Post by themadhippy » Fri May 16, 2014 9:08 pm

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way to much of the inner core exposed there,the outer white sheath is the bit you want the cord grip clamping on to.
Also whats the float switch triggering? those there headphone conectors aint rated for many volts,nor much current.
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Re: Budget 50L stainless brewshed

Post by Cazamodo » Sat May 17, 2014 8:16 am

I'd also be interested in how you're using the float switches. I have the same ones but still haven't decided how I'm going to implement them in the control panel yet.

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Re: Budget 50L stainless brewshed

Post by dean_wales » Sat May 17, 2014 9:56 am

Hi chaps,

Thanks for interest. I am going to post the mash tun pictures next and then kettle build.

I have a draft of a post regarding electrics and that will follow. The float switch carries minimal amps as no other load on that loop but will be 240v.
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Re: Budget 50L stainless brewshed

Post by themadhippy » Sat May 17, 2014 11:24 am

The float switch carries minimal amps as no other load on that loop but will be 240v.
Best not too,there only rated for 50v maximum.
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Re: Budget 50L stainless brewshed

Post by dean_wales » Sat May 17, 2014 12:06 pm

I haven't put that bit of the rig together yet. Could have sworn they coped with 240v. Will check spec but if they don't will use a 12v DC control circuit.
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Re: Budget 50L stainless brewshed

Post by themadhippy » Sat May 17, 2014 12:25 pm

Could have sworn they coped with 240v. Will check spec but if they don't will use a 12v DC control circuit.
The manufacters may rate them for 240v,however uk electrickery rules only allow them to be used on extra low voltage supplys (maximum of 50v AC 120v DC).
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Re: Budget 50L stainless brewshed

Post by dean_wales » Mon May 19, 2014 6:40 pm

If the device can safely withstand 240v is that a necessary rule to adhere to (in the DIY setting) in your opinion, if the circuit is RCBO protected?

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Re: Budget 50L stainless brewshed

Post by Fil » Mon May 19, 2014 10:16 pm

unlike themadhippy im not qualified in any way to comment.. still not stopped me before tho..
if anything like the ones ive looked at on ebay, a low dcv control circuit with a suitable hi amp relay to switch the element load would be the way i would progress.

the float switch could possibly control a low amp 240v ac circuit but bang it inline of a hi amp eating element and it will probably arc n burn out on first switch,, just compare the size of the wires connected to the switch with those used to connect the elements..
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Re: Budget 50L stainless brewshed

Post by dean_wales » Tue May 20, 2014 9:30 am

Electrics aside for the moment... Time to look at the mash tun.

For me this is where things started to get important. I had always got on OK with the old mash tun which was a plastic-bucket-with-drilled-plastic plate-manifold-a-la-Jim's! But it was a source of a few disaster brewdays with blockages etc and as my brewing develops I wanted something decent to allow me to play with different mashing schedules and get high efficiency.

So the mash tun was again based on a 50L keg purchased from Morrow Brothers and much of the same process applies as for the HLT.

Again I cut the top off (see point above regarding better options using the neck next time).

This vessel did need a bottom drain on it to allow proper draining and easy cleaning in place. So my mate too the keg to work and brazed a brass elbow flush against a hole in the bottom. Dirty cheap but effective bottom drain sorted.

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I cut holes with the drill/qmax as before for sight glass and thermowell.

The MT all then got the same insulation layering as the HLT, but with slightly more layers and thicker insulation. Temperature stability over time is key for the mash.
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It also got a little more complicated underneath. With the bottom drain being slightly below the valve on the skirt I had to create a slightly awkward but workable solution with a tap hose tail fitting held in place with stainless allen bolts of the skirt connected to the drain with some reinforced tubing. Jubilee clips for good measure.
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All this made it hard to insulate with foam so I decided to flood the cavity with expanding foam and them saw it off level before covering with silver bubble wrap for neatnes. Turns out expanding foam doesnt like being too thick. Once I cut it level I discovered it was still wet inside. Once opened it dried out but wrecked me old saw!
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Once covered if foil it was all ready for some more aluminium tape to finish the edges.
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As before I made a lid from some spare sheet, added plenty of insulation and a stainless handle to make the lid complete.
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Now to the innards! I decided on a false bottom as my method of lautering. I looked at some ready made ones but due to the shape of the base most didnt fit very well. So it was time to get some perforated stainless sheet off eBay and cut my own. I measured the diameter carefully to ensure it was a snug fit. I then marked it up with permanent marker before asking my mate with grinder in hand to cut it for me. It took a lot of time and patience and quite a few extra thin discs before it was done, but a lovely thing to behold once it was!
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Thing is with a keg build is that the false bottom cannot just drop straight in! The opening is smaller than the false bottom and so it does need to be hinged in some way to allow it to be folded up and slipped inside. Although it is very stiff stainless I also wanted to add some supporting stainless bolts to ensure it didn't bow down to the base. Again these were all off eBay.

First up cut the old girl in half! Eeek!
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Then add the hinges! A stainless U bolt also serves as a great little sanitary handle (drilled out nuts to act as washers).
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And some little bolts to act as supports around the bottom drain!
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And there you go!
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Forgot to take a photo of the finished assembly inside, will add one later.

Next up the challenge of making a biiiig old kettle!
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Re: Budget 50L stainless brewshed

Post by themadhippy » Tue May 20, 2014 12:21 pm

If the device can safely withstand 240v is that a necessary rule to adhere to (in the DIY setting) in your opinion, if the circuit is RCBO protected?
yes,couple of reasons why,1) the outer body of the socket and locking ring often are connected to the sleeve contact,running at 240v will make the body live,if screwed onto a metal enclosure then all the metal work becomes live. 2) When inserting or removing the plug its not uncommon for the contacts to be breifly shorted together,leading to a false state on the control gear. 3) those conectors are normally assciated with headphones,stranger things have happened than a curios kid or adult plugging a set of headphones into your control panel,putting 240v up a set of headphones wont be pretty.
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Re: Budget 50L stainless brewshed

Post by dean_wales » Fri Jun 06, 2014 9:18 am

Just updated the mashtun post above to add a photo of inside of the mash tun to show the false bottom in place.

The copper protrusion you can see is one of my home made thermowells which will be covered by a future post.

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